Gr3y Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Hello I just bought a new H80 and having had a custom water cooled setup in the past, I know that air inside a water cooling loop is bad, it messes up the pump and it screws up temperatures. When I shake it, I can hear that there is a LOT of air inside it. Should I even bother installing it? Thanks for reading. Ps. Batch version: 11469402 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlw_wl Posted April 26, 2012 Share Posted April 26, 2012 Try running it out of the PC in such a manner that the air escapes the pump towards the radiator, align the radiator above the pump with the hoses exiting the pump upwards and shake it, maybe you'll get all the air to the rad and it will work okay-ish. Maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr3y Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share Posted April 26, 2012 Thanks for the reply wlw_wl It sounds like pretty much 1/4 of the insides of this one is air. I've pretty much decided that I don't want it. And reading all the threads on this forum doesn't make me want a new one sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickfiddydee Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 There has to be air inside. It's a closed system, so it needs to contain air to allow expansion of the fluid, (Air is compressible, fluid is not.) You don't want air in circulation, but that won't happen, as long as one of the radiator's tanks is at the high point of the system. That's where the air will settle, in a nice little pocket. What you see on this board are the defects. If you were to count them up, they would be a small fraction of total production. The simple reason all you see is this small fraction, is that people who have normally functioning units rarely post to complain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlw_wl Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 So you say that it has to allow for the expansions of the liquid, and in the same sentence you state that the fluid isn't compressible? Such a small volume of water there is in the system has such a low change in volume over the operating temperature range that I don't think it's a concern at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickfiddydee Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 So you say that it has to allow for the expansions of the liquid, and in the same sentence you state that the fluid isn't compressible? Absolutely true. Gasses are compressible, fluids are not. The air in the closed systems is necessary, as it allows for the continual expansion and contraction of the fluid, which would otherwise put stresses on system components. Such a small volume of water there is in the system has such a low change in volume over the operating temperature range that I don't think it's a concern at all. Think what you like. You're entitled to, but please if you care to debate the subject, take it up w/ Corsair's engineers, rather than myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babdi Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 In any closed loop hydraulics there will be a small airgap unless they are sealed in vaccum. Sickfiddydee just for your information Fluids are also compressible like air. Air is easily compressible as molecules are spaced wider than in a fluid which requires higher pressure to compress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlw_wl Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 My point is that fluids aren't as compressible as gases like you said, so at the same time they do not expand as much as gases do, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickfiddydee Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 In any closed loop hydraulics there will be a small airgap unless they are sealed in vaccum. Sickfiddydee just for your information Fluids are also compressible like air. Air is easily compressible as molecules are spaced wider than in a fluid which requires higher pressure to compress. That's interesting. I was unaware that fluids were compressible at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickfiddydee Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 My point is that fluids aren't as compressible as gases like you said, so at the same time they do not expand as much as gases do, that's all. Agreed. However since gasses are easily compressible, air (even if it has expanded) can be compressed by expanding fluid. With zero air in the system, the fluid would otherwise exert internal force. While the volume of expansion is not great, that force (and repeated cycling) can be enough to damage structures like radiators, which by design can not be very robust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlw_wl Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 That makes sense and I agree, however Gr3y reported what I would call abnormal amounts of air, in the H100 I had (bigger capacity, so even more air should be there) I couldn't hear anything such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sickfiddydee Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 That makes sense and I agree, however Gr3y reported what I would call abnormal amounts of air, in the H100 I had (bigger capacity, so even more air should be there) I couldn't hear anything such. Yes, he stated there was a "lot" of air inside, which is rather subjective and which (to be honest) I took with a grain of salt. One does not want air circulating in the system, but there actually is always air "in" any system, including custom systems. After all, the reservoir contains air. Once the system is "bled," gravity simply keeps the air and liquid separated, as long as they are not agitated. Could be his system didn't have a complete fill, but I would guess it more likely that he just didn't realize the presence of some air is normal... and actually required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlw_wl Posted April 27, 2012 Share Posted April 27, 2012 The OP isn't new to water cooling, so I would discredit him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr3y Posted April 28, 2012 Author Share Posted April 28, 2012 Yes, he stated there was a "lot" of air inside, which is rather subjective and which (to be honest) I took with a grain of salt. One does not want air circulating in the system, but there actually is always air "in" any system, including custom systems. After all, the reservoir contains air. Once the system is "bled," gravity simply keeps the air and liquid separated, as long as they are not agitated. Could be his system didn't have a complete fill, but I would guess it more likely that he just didn't realize the presence of some air is normal... and actually required. Air has terrible heat capacity unless there is a lot of it, like from a fan. Air inside a water cooling loop would take away from the effectiveness of the water. And air inside the radiator would therefore mean a less effective radiator (because there is less room for the water to distribute the heat onto the radiator-grill), which in turn means a hotter heatsink. This might have been made by American engineers, but it was assembled by uneducated factory-men in China. Thank you, but now I'll make my own loop, even though I don't really want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSIINOZ Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 My H60 had about 150ml of liquid in it? With a reservoir and some longer hose I now have 500ml in the system & no air except for a little in the reservoir where it belongs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr3y Posted May 18, 2012 Author Share Posted May 18, 2012 I bought a kit from EK and assembled it myself. I'd rather the responsibility rest on my own shoulders than on Corsair's. I'm at 5GHz with my 2500k, so it cools quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colnago Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 I'd return the unit to wherever you bought it, get my money back and buy something else. As you'll see from these forums and elsewhere if you look on the web (you don't have to look very hard), these products are plagued with problems - pumps that make loud, grinding noises, fan controllers that don't work etc. Save yourself the hassle my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
korenje Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 does H100 even have intended reservoir for water? Because if there is air inside, if you mount the grill in vertical position, it will remove less heat from the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employee RAM GUY Posted May 22, 2012 Corsair Employee Share Posted May 22, 2012 No, they don't have reservoir for water, just pump and the radiator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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