PeterPS Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 Hello! I have posted on Compatibility area.. but I think its an onverclocking issue now. http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72067 I intended to run my E8400 @ 4.0GHz FSB 400MHz Strap 444MHz RAM 1600MHz But I decided to take it easy, and go up slowly... I'm currently runing a very modest overclock: 3.6GHz FSB 400MHz Strap 400MHz RAM 1200MHz [?] My question.. how can I set my modules to 1600MHz? It just won't POST if I set to 1600 and 1.7/1.8V Will I have to relax the timings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted August 21, 2008 Share Posted August 21, 2008 First of all, there is no guarantee that you will make 1333Mhz C9 modules to 1600Mhz. I would personally doubt it. To test, set the FSB Strapping to 266 and the FSB to 450. ie:Download memtest from--->Hereand extract the ISO image. Burn the ISO image to an CD-ROM disk. Download CPU-z from Here .Enter your BIOS, Load Setup Defaults, Save Setup Defaults and set to these values: AI Tweaker Configure System Performance SettingsAi Overclock Tuner = Manual eXtreme Memory Profile = Disabled CPU Ratio Setting = 9 FSB Strap to Northbridge = 266 FSB = 400 DRAM Timing Control = Manual DRAM Frequency = ~DDR3-1600 DRAM Command Rate = 2N DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A = Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B = Auto DRAM Timing Control = Manual CAS# Latency = 10 RAS# to CAS# Delay = 9 RAS# PRE Time = 9 RAS# ACT Time = 24 All Else to Auto DRAM Static Read Control = Disabled DRAM Dynamic Write Control = Disabled Transaction Booster = Disabled CPU Voltage = ~1.30v CPU PLL Voltage = Auto FSB Termination Voltage = Auto DRAM Voltage = 1.9v NB Voltage = 1.4v SB Voltage = Auto Clock Over-Charging Voltage = Auto Load Line Calibration = Enabled CPU GTL Voltage Reference = 67% NB GTL Voltage Reference: 63% CPU Spread Spectrum = Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum = DisabledRun Memtest for two full passes, then (If Stable), enter Windows and post screenshots of CPU-z's CPU, Memory and SPD tabs. I doubt it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPS Posted August 25, 2008 Author Share Posted August 25, 2008 Hey Derek, I tried your settings but it just won't POST with DRAM @ 1600. Its too much for these 1333 Cas9 modules. What I'm currently running is: Ai Overclock Tuner = Manual eXtreme Memory Profile = Disabled CPU Ratio Setting = 9 FSB Strap to Northbridge = 266 FSB = 425 DRAM Timing Control = Manual DRAM Frequency = DDR3 1360 DRAM Command Rate = 1N DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A = Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B = Auto DRAM Timing Control = Manual CAS# Latency = 10 RAS# to CAS# Delay = 9 RAS# PRE Time = 9 RAS# ACT Time = 24 All Else to Auto DRAM Static Read Control = Disabled DRAM Dynamic Write Control = Disabled Transaction Booster = Enabled Level 1 All else auto. EDIT: Not stable... fails Prime95. I found that at 3.6GHz the Vcore voltage is very low, like 1.248V ~1.256V. At 3.8GHz it starts to get a little high, 1.288 ~ 1.292. At 3.9GHz it will require 1.32V, but I was not able to make it stable. Fails Prime95. What does these settings adjust: CPU GTL Voltage Reference = 67% NB GTL Voltage Reference: 63% I have not found any big gains with AI Booster Enabled or Disabled, only the "Performance Level" changes from 9, to 10 [MemSet] I see some E8400 running 4.01GHz with 1.29~ Volts... do you know the average value for these processor to run stable at 4.GHz? I know it varies from piece to piece... I'm just not very confortable when I see it taking 1.32V to run 3.9GHz and not getting stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Hey Derek, I tried your settings but it just won't POST with DRAM @ 1600. Its too much for these 1333 Cas9 modules. What I'm currently running is: Ai Overclock Tuner = Manual eXtreme Memory Profile = Disabled CPU Ratio Setting = 9 FSB Strap to Northbridge = 266 FSB = 425 DRAM Timing Control = Manual DRAM Frequency = DDR3 1360 DRAM Command Rate = 1N DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A = Auto DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B = Auto DRAM Timing Control = Manual CAS# Latency = 10 RAS# to CAS# Delay = 9 RAS# PRE Time = 9 RAS# ACT Time = 24 All Else to Auto DRAM Static Read Control = Disabled DRAM Dynamic Write Control = Disabled Transaction Booster = Enabled Level 1 All else auto. EDIT: Not stable... fails Prime95. I found that at 3.6GHz the Vcore voltage is very low, like 1.248V ~1.256V. At 3.8GHz it starts to get a little high, 1.288 ~ 1.292. At 3.9GHz it will require 1.32V, but I was not able to make it stable. Fails Prime95. What does these settings adjust: CPU GTL Voltage Reference = 67% NB GTL Voltage Reference: 63% I have not found any big gains with AI Booster Enabled or Disabled, only the "Performance Level" changes from 9, to 10 [MemSet] I see some E8400 running 4.01GHz with 1.29~ Volts... do you know the average value for these processor to run stable at 4.GHz? I know it varies from piece to piece... I'm just not very confortable when I see it taking 1.32V to run 3.9GHz and not getting stable. Set your Command Rate to 2T. I have found 1.34v - 1.36v (Windows) for 4Ghz. I can run with 1.3v but not stable and keep in mind that many do not really run stable. What you find with regards to voltage is correct. The necessary voltage scales highly after 3.8Ghz on 45nm products. +.1v is not anything to worry about. Max is stated at 1.25 and .1 = 1.35. I have no problems with up to 1.4v personally, though I have never needed that much for any 45nm to make 4.0Ghz. Even my QX9650 needs less than 1.37 (Windows) for 4.0Ghz. Not AI Booster enabled, but DRAM Static Read Control enabled. GTL (Gunning Transceiver Logic) is a logic circuit that works with chip to chip interfaces and allows for an assist in the termination voltages which are of the VTT (Voltage Threshold Termination). Think of an open drain pipe with voltage being the medium in the drain conduit. This output of voltage is connected to the VTT circuit via the termination resistor which gauges the value of the voltage. Once the value is known, then it can be gauged whether to enable termination when too high. So, in other words, when the value of the drain output is in a low state there is a pathway to the grounding for VTT to be enabled and conversely, when the value of the drain output is in a high state, the outputs slows the conduction of the current. These methods allow to keep the voltage signal clean. When you overclock, you increase voltages and speeds, and this effects the circuitry and thus the signals because the impedance is altered. When the impedance is altered, so is the noise of the circuit. For an understanding of this it is helpful to move to comparisons. All electrical signals in a computer are transferred via harmonics. The rise and the fall of the sine wave is the mode. Have you heard of harmonic distortion in audio clarity? If not, Google this term and apply the effects to the electromagnetic resonance in the transfer of electronic signals. GTL and VTT are methods to tighten up the overclocked signal so that there is less chance of spike transference from one line of data to another line of data, which leads to data corruption. Research: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunning_Transceiver_Logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPS Posted September 2, 2008 Author Share Posted September 2, 2008 Hello! What does the Comand Rate do? I've read on that Anandtech P5E3 overclocking review, but for real I can't see any diff on my system. I've found a very good setting: FSB Strap 200MHz FSB 430MHz DRAM 1433 (9-9-9-24) Transaction Booster Enabled Level 2 Vcore Auto DRAM 1.74 And the results are: http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4085&stc=1&d=1220358494 http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4086&stc=1&d=1220358505 I ran MemTest no errors were found Prime95 fails from start... but my system is very stable, no blue screens, I can play without any errors... Thanks for the explanation about GTL, I'm an engineering studend (automotive, but I love eletronics). Althought, I couldn't find an optimal value... depending on the percentage set, it wouldn't even bot up. I didn't get how to calculate the best value for the current settings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted September 2, 2008 Share Posted September 2, 2008 What does the Comand Rate do? Please read this thread. http://www.houseofhelp.com/v3/showthread.php?p=364699#post364699 Prime95 fails from start... but my system is very stable, no blue screens, I can play without any errors... Please post your BIOS settings here: AI Tweaker Configure System Performance SettingsAi Overclock Tuner = Manual eXtreme Memory Profile = Disabled CPU Ratio Setting = FSB Strap to Northbridge = FSB = DRAM Timing Control = Manual DRAM Frequency = DRAM Command Rate = DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A = DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B = DRAM Timing Control = CAS# Latency = RAS# to CAS# Delay = RAS# PRE Time = RAS# ACT Time = All Else to Auto DRAM Static Read Control = DRAM Dynamic Write Control = Transaction Booster = CPU Voltage = CPU PLL Voltage = FSB Termination Voltage = DRAM Voltage = NB Voltage = SB Voltage = Auto Clock Over-Charging Voltage = Load Line Calibration = CPU GTL Voltage Reference = NB GTL Voltage Reference: CPU Spread Spectrum = PCIE Spread Spectrum = Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPS Posted September 10, 2008 Author Share Posted September 10, 2008 I have run some diff settings... at the moment Im settled with this one: http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4140&stc=1&d=1221071275 http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4141&stc=1&d=1221071413 http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4142&stc=1&d=1221071458 Tonight I'll post other combinations of FSB x Multiplier x DRAM values that I have tried. Ill post the setting I used for each one. This one is the best for me till now, 4GHz, 1500MHz on RAM, latency of 54.2... stable and cool! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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