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Old 02-03-2020, 02:12 AM
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I just did a new build and I was looking forward to using the Corsair H100i Platinum, love the white color and the white LL120s! I went ahead and bought another LL120 fan to use as an exhaust fan as well. Then I did the build I found how what a pain it is to set up the other fan and RGB on it. Don't get me wrong, the H100i Platinum is awesome, the LL120 fans are great and it has great RGB control, but only for the AIO fans... It wasn't the AIO fault, it was my naivety in thinking that adding a third LL120 as an exhaust fan would be an easy add on. Here's where things escalated quickly...

If you want to add any more LL120 fans to your build and have them in synch with the AIO fans, get ready to pay out $64.99 for the ICUE Commander, it has the fan controls and 2 RGB plug-ins, so I thought surely the RGB leads on the Corsair ICUE Commander would connect to Corsair LL120 RGB connectors, right?!?!?!?! Silly rabbit, correct RGB connectors are for hubs! (edit: still true after multiple replies saying I was wrong) You have to buy ANOTHER Corsair product: $54.99 (edit: I stand corrected, hub is on site for $10) for the RGB Fan Hub that has the correct RGB connectors, but no Fan connectors... so if you bought it first you still need to get the ICUE Commander as well. (edit: still true after multiple replies saying I was wrong)

So let me get this straight Corsair... if I want to use Corsair RGB fans in a case, I have to buy 2 separate products for $120 (edit: $85) in order to run the fans and control the RGB?!?!?! Does that sound like a good idea to anyone? I should point out that NZXT sells one product for $24.99 that handles the fans and the RGBs... hmmmn, one product for $24 or two products for $120 (edit: $85)... and they both do THE SAME THING. In this build, I just didn't feel like going through the hassle of paying another $120 (edit:$85) to add 1 more fan, so I took off one of the AIO fans and ran it as case exhaust (still controlled by AIO) ... no biggee other than aesthetics as I am running two Noctua pressure fans as intakes on the AIO in push-pull with only the one LL120 pulling.

Any chance Corsair can apply some common sense and merge those two separate products into one product and sell it at a competitive price?

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No, you didn’t get it straight. You bought twice as many things as needed, each time not quite understanding how they worked together. The RGB hub is $10 separately. Comes for free in most multi-fan packs along with the required lighting controller (LNP). A Commander Pro is a lighting controller and a fan controller. You would have made the same mistake with NZXT and $24 will not get you lighting and fan control.

The Platinum series coolers were meant to be a stand alone system for those without other Corsair RGB lighting. It’s controller was meant for it alone and if you put into a system with 3-4 other LL fans you likely would not use its controller. Doing a single RGB fan is a tough ask in any of these systems because you require all the control hardware for a single fan. If you would like to believe that is a ploy to drive sales versus the requirements to adequately deliver 3-4 amps of lighting current for multi-fan systems, then I probably won’t be able to convince you. We could have helped here. I certainly won’t claim it is intuitive, but be aware most RGB fan system will have to separate the lighting current from the fan motor current and that creates two distinct phases of control. At least until MB manufacturers start making 2A fan headers.
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No, you didn’t get it straight. You bought twice as many things as needed, each time not quite understanding how they worked together. The RGB hub is $10 separately. Comes for free in most multi-fan packs along with the required lighting controller (LNP). A Commander Pro is a lighting controller and a fan controller. You would have made the same mistake with NZXT and $24 will not get you lighting and fan control.

The Platinum series coolers were meant to be a stand alone system for those without other Corsair RGB lighting. It’s controller was meant for it alone and if you put into a system with 3-4 other LL fans you likely would not use its controller. Doing a single RGB fan is a tough ask in any of these systems because you require all the control hardware for a single fan. If you would like to believe that is a ploy to drive sales versus the requirements to adequately deliver 3-4 amps of lighting current for multi-fan systems, then I probably won’t be able to convince you. We could have helped here. I certainly won’t claim it is intuitive, but be aware most RGB fan system will have to separate the lighting current from the fan motor current and that creates two distinct phases of control. At least until MB manufacturers start making 2A fan headers.

The Hub is not $10 (edit: you were right, I missed it in my search: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego...2#rotatingText. Here's a link to the Corsair RGB Hub for $54.99 that controls only the RGB, no fan control included (it's not currently for sale on Corsair Website): https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CO-89...sr=1-1-catcorr

The Commander does NOT control the RGB lighting on the fans, the connectors on the Commander are for LED strips and are not the same as the RGB connectors from the fans. Corsair sells the Commander for $74.99, that has the controls for the fans: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego.../CL-9011110-WW

Yes, if you spend $114.99 you get three fans, lighting note and RGB hub... but you still need to buy the commander to control the fans in ICue: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07LF1B1Y8..._wdg_tit_nw_mr

So yes, even if you buy the bundle you mentioned, you still need to spend another $74.99 for the Commander to control the fans through ICue... as is confirmed in the Corsair Forum FAQ Diagrams here : https://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthr...73880&t=173880 (about a third of the way down the 5th diagram shows you need Commander and Hub to control RGB and Fans)

Meanwhile, you can buy an NZXT controller that handles both the RGB and the Fans for $24.99: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Or if you buy the package of NZXT fans for $88.25, you get three fans and the controller you need to handle the RGB and the Fans: https://www.amazon.com/NZXT-AER-RGB-...74CST37ABK93ZH (yes, I am aware the NZXT fans are more airflow whereas the Corsair fans are more pressure, but I have 2 Noctua pressure fans as intake pushing cool air into the AIO)

The bottom line is that if I had bought an NZXT AIO, I could spend another $24 to have an exhaust fan that would be in synch with the AIO, instead I went with Corsair for the AIO and I would have to spend another $120 to have an exhaust fan that would be in synch with the AIO... to the average consumer building on a budget (and space in my case with an ITX case) ... it matters. I see you've made over 10,000 posts here, no offense meant.

I'm not posting this to draw the ire of Corsair fans, I'm genuinely hoping someone at Corsair might see this and go "Wait... what, we sell 2 products for $120 that our competition sells in 1 product for $24?" and maybe in a few months Corsair can adjust their product line to keep up with the competition.

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The Hub is not $10. Here's a link to the Corsair RGB Hub for $54.99 that controls only the RGB, no fan control included (it's not currently for sale on Corsair Website): https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CO-89...sr=1-1-catcorr
Thats Amazon.....

here is the Corsair Site at $9.99

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego...b/p/CO-8950020




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can adjust their product line to keep up with the competition.
You might find the Competition may want to adjust their product line so they can compete with Corsair.. cheaper isnt always better!

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Here's the hub for $9.99: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego...b/p/CO-8950020. Shipping is free, too.

The Commander does control fan lighting. It does so via the Hub. This is done for power reasons. In fact, I currently have 6 QL-RGB and 4 LL RGB fans that are controlled right now on one of my Commander Pro. Another CoPro, in another system, is controlling 6 ML-RGB fans (and strips). And yet a third CoPro, in a third system, is controlling 4 LL fans (and strips too). So ... uhh ... tell me again how the CoPro doesn't control fan lighting?

So you've read the FAQ. Apparently you didn't absorb much or you'd understand what's wrong about your statements. The single fans don't come with the fan hub or the LNP; the multipacks do. They even state that on the packaging - that they are intended as an expansion. And the Lighting Node Pro that comes with the multipacks are perfectly capable of controlling the RGB on the fans; no CoPro is actually required. The FAQ shows different diagrams as examples - they aren't the end-all-be-all in how you can configure things. It's just not possible to do that. Next, the NZXT device you point to doesn't control as much as the Corsair device nor does it have temp sensors. So you're comparing apples and strawberries. But if you want to go there, go for it. Oh, and none of the NZXT coolers come with RGB fans so your math is a bit off. (For the record, I do have some of the NZXT fans and strips and the controller as well.)

While you claim that you aren't posting this to draw the ire of Corsair fans, your post is full of misinformation and outright false statements. It almost smells of deliberately fake news. Almost. But ... rather than look at what you misunderstood, you chose another path ... to insist that your own lack of understanding was, in fact, truth.

And then ... then ... oh, this is rich ... then you decide to argue with c-attack, who happens to be one of the most knowledgeable folks on this here forum, who knows the Corsair stuff inside-out, upside-down, backwards and forwards.
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Thats Amazon.....

here is the Corsair Site at $9.99

https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego...b/p/CO-8950020




I wrote the Faq btw




You might find the Competition may want to adjust their product line so they can compete with Corsair.. cheaper isnt always better!
If you wrote the FAQ then why were you even responding and saying "You bought twice as many things as needed" when in fact I was correct and you do need to buy a Hub and a Commander to synch another LL120 fan with the AIO.

You were also wrong in saying "You would have made the same mistake with NZXT and $24 will not get you lighting and fan control." when in fact the NZXT product does control the Fans and the RGB: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

You DO have to buy 2 more products to add 1 exhaust fan to run in synch with the AIO... okay, the hub is here on Corsair's website for $10, that still leaves you the Commander to pick up for $75 here at Corsair site... and they're both still over 3 times the price of the 1 product from the competition.

So you think it's a good idea to require customers to buy 2 products for $85 to do the same things as the 1 product the competition is selling for $24?
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Here's the hub for $9.99: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego...b/p/CO-8950020. Shipping is free, too.

The Commander does control fan lighting. It does so via the Hub. This is done for power reasons. In fact, I currently have 6 QL-RGB and 4 LL RGB fans that are controlled right now on one of my Commander Pro. Another CoPro, in another system, is controlling 6 ML-RGB fans (and strips). And yet a third CoPro, in a third system, is controlling 4 LL fans (and strips too). So ... uhh ... tell me again how the CoPro doesn't control fan lighting?

So you've read the FAQ. Apparently you didn't absorb much or you'd understand what's wrong about your statements. The single fans don't come with the fan hub or the LNP; the multipacks do. They even state that on the packaging - that they are intended as an expansion. And the Lighting Node Pro that comes with the multipacks are perfectly capable of controlling the RGB on the fans; no CoPro is actually required. The FAQ shows different diagrams as examples - they aren't the end-all-be-all in how you can configure things. It's just not possible to do that. Next, the NZXT device you point to doesn't control as much as the Corsair device nor does it have temp sensors. So you're comparing apples and strawberries. But if you want to go there, go for it. Oh, and none of the NZXT coolers come with RGB fans so your math is a bit off. (For the record, I do have some of the NZXT fans and strips and the controller as well.)

While you claim that you aren't posting this to draw the ire of Corsair fans, your post is full of misinformation and outright false statements. It almost smells of deliberately fake news. Almost. But ... rather than look at what you misunderstood, you chose another path ... to insist that your own lack of understanding was, in fact, truth.

And then ... then ... oh, this is rich ... then you decide to argue with c-attack, who happens to be one of the most knowledgeable folks on this here forum, who knows the Corsair stuff inside-out, upside-down, backwards and forwards.
Per your example of your system, if you buy the HUB AND THE COMMANDER then you can control the RGB of the fans via the Commander... my point all along has been that Corsair fans require the purchase of 2 additional products to control their Fans and the RGB.

That's all I'm saying and it's like I have blasphemy'd in the church of Corsair and I have all the priests and nuns who have written the Corsair bible coming out to tell me of my sinful ways... when in fact I am correct, you do have to buy 2 products to add 1 LL120 to your case.

I get that you guys are all converted, you all drink the Corsair Kool-Aid, and my words are blasphemous to your ears... but please consider that there are other Corsair heathens out there like me, lost souls wandering who have not seen the light, and you may have more luck luring them into the van of free candy if you only made them buy 1 product to drink from the fountain of Corsair RGB Fan holiness.

Or, you can keep up the holier than thou act and shouting down someone who is trying to point out one simple point... you shouldn't have to buy two more products (even if it's $85 not $120) to add one cool LL120 as an exhaust fan and have it work with the other expensive AIO they already bought.

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Here's the hub for $9.99: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego...b/p/CO-8950020. Shipping is free, too.

The Commander does control fan lighting. It does so via the Hub. This is done for power reasons. In fact, I currently have 6 QL-RGB and 4 LL RGB fans that are controlled right now on one of my Commander Pro. Another CoPro, in another system, is controlling 6 ML-RGB fans (and strips). And yet a third CoPro, in a third system, is controlling 4 LL fans (and strips too). So ... uhh ... tell me again how the CoPro doesn't control fan lighting?

So you've read the FAQ. Apparently you didn't absorb much or you'd understand what's wrong about your statements. The single fans don't come with the fan hub or the LNP; the multipacks do. They even state that on the packaging - that they are intended as an expansion. And the Lighting Node Pro that comes with the multipacks are perfectly capable of controlling the RGB on the fans; no CoPro is actually required. The FAQ shows different diagrams as examples - they aren't the end-all-be-all in how you can configure things. It's just not possible to do that. Next, the NZXT device you point to doesn't control as much as the Corsair device nor does it have temp sensors. So you're comparing apples and strawberries. But if you want to go there, go for it. Oh, and none of the NZXT coolers come with RGB fans so your math is a bit off. (For the record, I do have some of the NZXT fans and strips and the controller as well.)

While you claim that you aren't posting this to draw the ire of Corsair fans, your post is full of misinformation and outright false statements. It almost smells of deliberately fake news. Almost. But ... rather than look at what you misunderstood, you chose another path ... to insist that your own lack of understanding was, in fact, truth.

And then ... then ... oh, this is rich ... then you decide to argue with c-attack, who happens to be one of the most knowledgeable folks on this here forum, who knows the Corsair stuff inside-out, upside-down, backwards and forwards.
What was misinformation about my post? My post was correct, to add 1 LL120 fan as an exhaust fan to my build to go with the H100i platinum SE I bought I would have to buy 2 more products from Corsair. When I searched on the corsair website for the hub, it didn't come up: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Catego...2#rotatingText

Apparently you're not allowed to ask questions in the holy house of Corsair
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So you've read the FAQ. Apparently you didn't absorb much or you'd understand what's wrong about your statements... And the Lighting Node Pro that comes with the multipacks are perfectly capable of controlling the RGB on the fans; no CoPro is actually required. The FAQ shows different diagrams as examples - they aren't the end-all-be-all in how you can configure things... Next, the NZXT device you point to doesn't control as much as the Corsair device nor does it have temp sensors. So you're comparing apples and strawberries. But if you want to go there, go for it. Oh, and none of the NZXT coolers come with RGB fans so your math is a bit off.
I read the FAQ, and the FAQ clearly shows that the Lighting Node Pro has connectivity to LED strips and to RGB Hubs, not LL120 RGB controls. You can't plug a LL120 fan RGB lead into the Lighting Node Pro, you have to buy an RGB hub and plug the LL120 RGB leads into that, and then you have to buy a Commander and plug the LL120 fan leads into that in order to have your LL120 fan and RGB in synch with the AIO fans and RGB.

You guys have replied and stated I am putting out misinformation and that I have it all wrong, when in fact I do have it right; to add an LL120 as a case fan and have that fan in synch with the AIO, you have to buy 2 more components for $85... over 3 times the price of the 1 product a competitor offers that accomplishes the same function.

I'm not trying to burn down the church of Corsair, I am just trying to make one simple point and ask that maybe in the future the infallible church of Corsair might consider making a change to their product lineup.

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I didn’t think it was possible, but you appear to be even more entangled than before. Not just the products, what they do, what you are trying to do, who you are talking to, but the continued apples to oranges comparisons as well. You are right. The total system was not designed to add a single RGB fan. I stated that in the original response. I am not aware of any AIO that can do multi-fan RGB support beyond its own fans for a +1. You have to buy the necessary support hardware regardless of the numbers of fans. That makes the cost for +1 scale poorly on a per fan basis, but don’t expect a lot of sympathy from anyone who just bought 12 QL fans.

I didn’t go to into much detail or try and specifically address your feelings in your original statement. My instincts told me you just wanted to rant and blow off steam. There is something I was right about. Hopefully these 27 paragraphs posted in Custom Water Cooling section make you feel better. I don’t know if any one else will see it, but I will continue to caution users about trying to do the +1 add-on as I have for sometime. Or at least continue to explain so they can make an informed decision before purchasing.
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If you wrote the FAQ then why were you even responding and saying "You bought twice as many things as needed"
Did you actually read my post?

Think you are confusing me with someone else. You made at least 3 false accusations aimed at me. All 3 was aimed at the wrong person... and i think this is 99% of your problem.. you dont actually fully read/research anything.. that is clear from the stuff you just accused me of!. Much assumption me thinks.. which seems to be a reoccurring pattern in this thread/story.

I come here in my own time and offer as much help as i can. I spent years perfecting that faq so people like your self wouldnt make assumptions. Yet here we are.. cant help all the people all the time


Bottom line.. you bought into an ecosystem with out researching it...sorry man.. just saying it like it is

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I didn’t think it was possible, but you appear to be even more entangled than before. Not just the products, what they do, what you are trying to do, who you are talking to, but the continued apples to oranges comparisons as well. You are right. The total system was not designed to add a single RGB fan. I stated that in the original response. I am not aware of any AIO that can do multi-fan RGB support beyond its own fans for a +1. You have to buy the necessary support hardware regardless of the numbers of fans. That makes the cost for +1 scale poorly on a per fan basis, but don’t expect a lot of sympathy from anyone who just bought 12 QL fans.

I didn’t go to into much detail or try and specifically address your feelings in your original statement. My instincts told me you just wanted to rant and blow off steam. There is something I was right about. Hopefully these 27 paragraphs posted in Custom Water Cooling section make you feel better. I don’t know if any one else will see it, but I will continue to caution users about trying to do the +1 add-on as I have for sometime. Or at least continue to explain so they can make an informed decision before purchasing.
In my original post I was complimentary of the AIO: "Don't get me wrong, the H100i Platinum is awesome" and "It wasn't the AIO fault"

My original point in my original post was clearly stated: "...if I want to use Corsair RGB fans in a case, I have to buy 2 separate products for $120 (edit: $85) in order to run the fans and control the RGB?!?!?! Does that sound like a good idea to anyone?"

Your responded non-sequitur about me purchasing 2 too many products: "You bought twice as many things as needed, each time not quite understanding how they worked together." ... even though I clearly stated I did not buy the additional components "I just didn't feel like going through the hassle of paying another $120 (edit:$85) to add 1 more fan, so I took off one of the AIO fans and ran it as case exhaust"

In my reply to you I also clarified: "I'm not posting this to draw the ire of Corsair fans, I'm genuinely hoping someone at Corsair might see this and go "Wait... what, we sell 2 products for $120 that our competition sells in 1 product for $24?" and maybe in a few months Corsair can adjust their product line to keep up with the competition."

My point still stands, to add 1 LL120 as an exhaust fan you have to buy 2 additional products to synch it with the AIO. Now I know those products are available for $85 no $120, but that's still significantly more than the 1 product a competitor is selling.

I hope Corsair is more open to customer feedback than you are and will revise their product line to put out a "Hub Commander" that can handle Fans and RGB at a competitive price.

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Did you actually read my post?

Think you are confusing me with someone else. You made at least 3 false accusations aimed at me. All 3 was aimed at the wrong person... and i think this is 99% of your problem.. you dont actually fully read/research anything.. that is clear from the stuff you just accused me of!. Much assumption me thinks.. which seems to be a reoccurring pattern in this thread/story.

I come here in my own time and offer as much help as i can. I spent years perfecting that faq so people like your self wouldnt make assumptions. Yet here we are.. cant help all the people all the time


Bottom line.. you bought into an ecosystem with out researching it...sorry man.. just saying it like it is
You're right, it's my fault for buying the AIO and the LL120 without reading your FAQ more closely the first time.

I build on a budget, my build was based on a good deal for a used I5 8600k, a used motherboard and a used SSD. I splurged on the AIO (and the graphics card too) cause I got over excited about how awesome it looks. It performs well, and aside from one mistake in me not realizing the additional components that would be needed, I am VERY happy with it's performance.

I like my build as it is: https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/edit/?userbuild=gTXPxr

I like the FAQ you wrote, reading your FAQ saved me from spending $85 more to buy the required 2 more products to run 1 more LL120. Your FAQ was where I learned that you can't connect the LL120 RGB leads to the Commander and that you have to buy the Hub to connect it to the Commander so the Commander can run the Fans and the Hub can run the RGB.

Thank you for writing the FAQ, I apologize for offending you with my observations about the Corsair products and subsequent feedback requesting an update to the Corsair products.

I'll leave this back and forth with the same thing I ended my original post with... "Any chance Corsair can apply some common sense and merge those two separate products into one product and sell it at a competitive price?" ... in the hopes that maybe Corsair will be open to feedback and provide 1 competitively priced product that controls the Fans and the RGB.
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My original point in my original post was clearly stated: "...if I want to use Corsair RGB fans in a case, I have to buy 2 separate products for $120 (edit: $85) in order to run the fans and control the RGB?!?!?! Does that sound like a good idea to anyone?"
Any this is where your initial difficulty started. Are you trying to have RGB control over the LL fan? Or do you want a 6 port fan controller that can potentially control all of your case fans. Those are two different things.

All you need for lighting control is a Lighting Node Pro and the RGB Hub. As stated, those come for free in the mult-packs and the idea is most people do want to buy a single RGB fan. You can buy the LNP expansion kit, which also comes with 4 LED strips, and then your RGB hub. That's $40 + 10 and you get 4 strips as well. Regardless, this is all you need to control the RGB lighting.

You want software control over fan speed for the entire system? You obviously are already running the 3 case fans from the motherboard, like most people. The 2 AIO fans have their own internal fan controller that is iCUE controlled. So let's assume this is what you want. $55 for the Commander Pro. That is fan controller and lighting controller in one. You still need the RGB Lighting Hub for $10 or the fans will not have lighting current. That is how it works. Fans get their power from a fan controller. Lighting gets its power on a different SATA line because of the required current levels. So that's $64 + 10.

None of those calculations match the argument you are trying to make, other than the "it may not be cost effective to add 1 fan". No one is disputing that, but that's not even what you want. I suggest you take a detailed look at the 3 port NZXT controller you keep comparing to the 6 port fan controller of the Commander Pro. Hey, it has half as many ports and costs half as much. Except that is not all and the 3 port model has other limitations. You can go over to the NZXT forums and do your own research. What you definitely don't need is a Commander Pro, Lighting Node Pro, and RGB Lighting hub all together -- unless you are going to add 23 more RGB fans. That is your $120.

You didn't come here to leave feedback. You came here to rant and your tone and madcap posting is a living testament to that. Perhaps you are young and have not really learned to communicate in a professional or semi-adult fashion -- like someone seeking information. Either way your original assertion that "If you want to add any more LL120 fans to your build and have them in synch with the AIO fans get ready to pay out $64.99 for the ICUE Commander" was incorrect. Your problem is you didn't want lighting control for a single fan. You wanted lighting control for the entire system, plus fan control, plus the ability to synchronize the fans speed of two other fans with your radiator fans. That's not the same as sticking an LL in the rear slot and wanting to match the lighting. This is where you "didn't get things straight". I assumed because of fairly normal misunderstanding and no one said this stuff is common knowledge. But your continual insistence to argue this like a moral crime is misplaced.

I am sorry Corsair does not make a combo fan/lighting controller with the exact number of fans you are currently using. I currently have builds with 8 and 9 fan each. Corsair does not make an 8 or 9 fan controller. I am going to immediately petition Corsair and fill up their forum pages with complaints about how they are not serving my needs. Do they not realize some people have 9 fans? Doesn't everyone have 9 fans? They need to get on this immediately and all those with 7 fans can kiss my @@@. They are just going to have to pay for extra fan slots they won't use and like it. Unless of course I am being childish and entirely ignorant of the business aspect of making 9 different size controllers.



For what you actually wanted to do (1 more RGB fan, AIO radiator push-pull sync), I would have laid out two options:

1) LNP expansion kit + 1 LL120 single + RGB lighting hub. ($40 + $25-34 +10). This gets you your rear exhaust LL to match the other two with lighting control. Then take the Noctuas (model #?) and run them off a splitter for one fan channel and the two LL120s on a splitter for the other fan channel. The Platinum has 2 fan channel with independent control which will help with any issues regarding PWM % differences. You can run two adjusted curves to match on each side of the radiator. Move the RGB wires from the pump controller to the LNP so all three LLs will sync natively vs through the Platinum.

2) LL120 Triple pack (white presumably). Price varies from $90-120. This is your all included pack with LNP, RGB hub and three LL fans. Drop the Noctuas. In push pull they make no difference and are more likely to cause slight noise variances when paired with a dissimilar fan blade on the other side. You can still run 4 fan motors from the Platinum controller for speed control. All fan lighting wires go on on the RGB Hub and LNP to make them act as one unit. This is slightly more than option 1, but is easily obtainable and might offer more interesting lighting than option 1. The wild card is the strips and their desirability for you.

In neither of these situations do you need the Commander Pro unless there are additional fans in the system you would like to control for speed. Or maybe you just want it and the control options can be explained. This is the kind of conversation we have when you come and ask questions versus explaining to world what's wrong with their products before you understand them. You can nitpick after that about it not being exactly designed for your system. Next time... ask first.

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Any this is where your initial difficulty started. Are you trying to have RGB control over the LL fan? Or do you want a 6 port fan controller that can potentially control all of your case fans. Those are two different things.

All you need for lighting control is a Lighting Node Pro and the RGB Hub. As stated, those come for free in the mult-packs and the idea is most people do want to buy a single RGB fan. You can buy the LNP expansion kit, which also comes with 4 LED strips, and then your RGB hub. That's $40 + 10 and you get 4 strips as well. Regardless, this is all you need to control the RGB lighting.

You want software control over fan speed for the entire system? You obviously are already running the 3 case fans from the motherboard, like most people. The 2 AIO fans have their own internal fan controller that is iCUE controlled. So let's assume this is what you want. $55 for the Commander Pro. That is fan controller and lighting controller in one. You still need the RGB Lighting Hub for $10 or the fans will not have lighting current. That is how it works. Fans get their power from a fan controller. Lighting gets its power on a different SATA line because of the required current levels. So that's $64 + 10.

None of those calculations match the argument you are trying to make, other than the "it may not be cost effective to add 1 fan". No one is disputing that, but that's not even what you want. I suggest you take a detailed look at the 3 port NZXT controller you keep comparing to the 6 port fan controller of the Commander Pro. Hey, it has half as many ports and costs half as much. Except that is not all and the 3 port model has other limitations. You can go over to the NZXT forums and do your own research. What you definitely don't need is a Commander Pro, Lighting Node Pro, and RGB Lighting hub all together -- unless you are going to add 23 more RGB fans. That is your $120.

You didn't come here to leave feedback. You came here to rant and your tone and madcap posting is a living testament to that. Perhaps you are young and have not really learned to communicate in a professional or semi-adult fashion -- like someone seeking information. Either way your original assertion that "If you want to add any more LL120 fans to your build and have them in synch with the AIO fans get ready to pay out $64.99 for the ICUE Commander" was incorrect. Your problem is you didn't want lighting control for a single fan. You wanted lighting control for the entire system, plus fan control, plus the ability to synchronize the fans speed of two other fans with your radiator fans. That's not the same as sticking an LL in the rear slot and wanting to match the lighting. This is where you "didn't get things straight". I assumed because of fairly normal misunderstanding and no one said this stuff is common knowledge. But your continual insistence to argue this like a moral crime is misplaced.

I am sorry Corsair does not make a combo fan/lighting controller with the exact number of fans you are currently using. I currently have builds with 8 and 9 fan each. Corsair does not make an 8 or 9 fan controller. I am going to immediately petition Corsair and fill up their forum pages with complaints about how they are not serving my needs. Do they not realize some people have 9 fans? Doesn't everyone have 9 fans? They need to get on this immediately and all those with 7 fans can kiss my @@@. They are just going to have to pay for extra fan slots they won't use and like it. Unless of course I am being childish and entirely ignorant of the business aspect of making 9 different size controllers.



For what you actually wanted to do (1 more RGB fan, AIO radiator push-pull sync), I would have laid out two options:

1) LNP expansion kit + 1 LL120 single + RGB lighting hub. ($40 + $25-34 +10). This gets you your rear exhaust LL to match the other two with lighting control. Then take the Noctuas (model #?) and run them off a splitter for one fan channel and the two LL120s on a splitter for the other fan channel. The Platinum has 2 fan channel with independent control which will help with any issues regarding PWM % differences. You can run two adjusted curves to match on each side of the radiator. Move the RGB wires from the pump controller to the LNP so all three LLs will sync natively vs through the Platinum.

2) LL120 Triple pack (white presumably). Price varies from $90-120. This is your all included pack with LNP, RGB hub and three LL fans. Drop the Noctuas. In push pull they make no difference and are more likely to cause slight noise variances when paired with a dissimilar fan blade on the other side. You can still run 4 fan motors from the Platinum controller for speed control. All fan lighting wires go on on the RGB Hub and LNP to make them act as one unit. This is slightly more than option 1, but is easily obtainable and might offer more interesting lighting than option 1. The wild card is the strips and their desirability for you.

In neither of these situations do you need the Commander Pro unless there are additional fans in the system you would like to control for speed. Or maybe you just want it and the control options can be explained. This is the kind of conversation we have when you come and ask questions versus explaining to world what's wrong with their products before you understand them. You can nitpick after that about it not being exactly designed for your system. Next time... ask first.
My posts have been clear: If you want to add a LL120 to a build using a H100i Platinum SE and have that Fan and RGB synch'd with the AIO Fans and RGB, you have to buy 2 additional Corsair components for $85. Something I didn't budget for in my build, but it's okay I found a work around that works fine. https://pcpartpicker.com/b/gTXPxr

I've already acknowledged I did not find the Hub listed on the Corsair website for $10... why do you continue to beat that dead horse?

I've already acknowledged that I did not see your FAQ that confirms this and explains this in detail, why do you feel the need to continue to flame me?

This is your world, you're the man here, I'm not doubting that, I'm not disputing that. I have done my best to clarify what my point was, I understand you doubt my sincerity on that... okay.

I did come here to try and communicate feedback, and in return I've had my post turned into 1,001 straw-man arguments, and I've received replies that have been mostly ad-hominem arguments questioning my reading comprehension, age and intent.

You win, this is your world, I was wrong to have come here and tried to share feedback. I'll take my lesson learned about synchronizing Corsair Fans and RGB and I will move on.

Thank you very much!


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