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  1. Why doesn't Corsair place the version number of the RAM on the outside of the package box? Unfortunately, I did not pay close enough attention to MSI's website for memory compatibility on an MSI MEG X570 Unify motherboard. The CMW32GX4M4C3200C16 memory that I purchased (4 x 8GB Vengeance RGB Pro) would not work with all 4 sticks in the 4 slots. It would work with any 2 sticks. After talking with MSI and reviewing the compatibility chart, you need version 4.31 NOT 4.32. Fortunately, Newegg took my Corsair memory back because it was within 30 days. However, I am stuck because vendor can tell me the version. You have to open the box and inspect each RAM stick. I read so many negative stories about Corsair on here and now am building a second gaming PC with Corsair products, again. You would think I would have learned the first time around. Corsair is not answering the phone and is extremely slow answering messages. Prior to buying the specified Corsair product, I called both Corsair and MSI to make sure of compatibility. Neither mentioned version number and both said something to the effect of "our products work very well together" and what you want should work. I should have picked up on the word "should". Shame on me I guess. Is there any solution to buying compatible RAM for all 4 slots?
  2. I built my first computer (gaming) almost a year and a half ago (January 2019). The build was in a Corsair 460X case which I don't hear much about anymore; thus, the thread title "A Dying Breed". I decided to give my thoughts on the build and attach some pictures and videos in case someone still has an interest in building in a 460X case. Build Items: Corsair Crystal Series 460X RGB case (3 x Corsair SP120 fans incl.) Additional 3 x SP120 fans MSI B450 Tomahawk Motherboard AMD Ryzen 5 2600 CPU with Wraith Stealth CPU Cooler Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 2 x 8GB DDR4 3200MHz RAM MSI Radeon RX580 Armor OC 8GB Samsung 970 EVO NVMe M.2 500GB SSD Samsung 860 EVO 2.5" SATA III 500GB SSD Corsair RM650x 650W Power Supply Corsair Commander Pro ASUS PCE-AC68 Wireless Network Card (recent install) Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full Version Peripherals: MSI Optix 24" Curved FreeSync Monitor Corsair Strafe RGB MK.2 Mechanical Gaming Keyboard Corsair M65 Pro RGB Gaming Mouse Corsair MM800 RGB Polaris Mouse Pad Enhance Gaming LED Computer Speakers The case is absolutely beautiful, but I suspect the "crampness" of a mid-tower (ATX build) and the horrible cable management space contribute to not seeing much about this case now. I have only played free games, so I have not taxed this build at all. This will change soon as I build my second and larger PC. Once I play some of the more challenging games on the new PC, I will probably do so on this one to see how well it does. Because of this and no overclocking (yet), there have been no overheating issues, at all. The speed of both the NVMe and SATA III SSDs were amazing. Keep in mind that I came from a spinning hard drive world. Since this will be a backup computer across the room, I needed wireless capability; thus the ASUS card. If I sell this computer or give it to someone, they will probably want wireless anyway. The keyboard and mouse were perfect for my tastes. I plan on upgrading to the Platinum keyboard with my new build but may return to this keyboard if it feels better. I bought a Corsair Harpoon RGB Wireless Mouse since I will keep the M65 with my new computer. The GPU is a little saggy in the motherboard and really noticeable. The MM800 RGB mouse pad was a waste of money due to continual problems with the RGB. Since I bought the Commander Pro for iCUE capability, I disabled the case lighting control. iCUE continues to be a challenge as it is not intuitive but I am learning. You just have to stay with it when you want to do something specific. Finally, cable management was a serious drawback. The Commander Pro and ATX power cable provided a slight bulge in the panel. I have a video (too long) of my cable management that I will post later on this thread. Could not load any videos as they were too large. Will probably attach them to YouTube and attach links at some point. Hope you enjoy!
  3. What are some of the techniques for installing the Commander Pro thermal sensors in the motherboard area? In my 1st build (see another thread), installing thermal sensor near the GPU, CPU and memory was somewhat problematic so I abandoned this altogether. With 2 Commander Pros in my upcoming 2nd build, I will have 8 possible sensors to place in the case. I worry that bending the sensor cable enough to get it to stay in a particular shape may damage the cable. I've seen many threads talking about NOT placing the sensor on metal, etc. I assume this means for proper use, it must be suspended somewhat in air. Just poking it through an available hole does not necessarily get it in a decent place for internal air temp close to a particular device. I have thought about poking the sensor outside the back of the case and then back inside the case above the GPU. I also have thought about taping the sensor cable to the MOBO ATX cable just below the RAM which is just above the GPU. Is there any other internal location that may be of use? My current plan for all 8 thermal sensors are as follows: CoPro #1 - 1) Cable management side inlet temp middle 2nd fan (see case spec), 2) bottom inlet temp forward 3rd fan, 3) top outlet temp forward 3rd fan, 4) rear fan outlet temp. CoPro #2 - 1) RAM/right and above GPU (see above para.), 2) left of and above GPU (see above para.), 3) front case tempered glass area, and 4) power supply inlet temp. I have some comments on specific sensor locations below. The case will have a CPU 2x3-fan push-pull setup (see CPU cooler spec) using the side location for the radiator. The radiator and 3rd party fans will be in the cable management area and the 3 x Corsair fans will be recessed in the MOBO area. The "cooled" inlet air has to make a 90 degree turn to cool the MOBO area. I thought it would be a good idea to have a temp in this "dead area" in front of the front tempered glass. My power supply will be moved up to the top (maybe middle) of the case to make more room for CoPro, NoCo and other devices. The power supply will be drawing air in from near the top of the case which will most certainly be a little hotter due to the exhaust fans. On 2nd thought, maybe it would be better on the exhaust side of the power supply. My build is still about 3 weeks away (stupid MOBO must be coming from China) so I have time to change things. Thoughts?
  4. Since I am working on building my 2nd gaming computer, I thought I would complete this thread with final comments (a year late). My final placement of thermal sensors for my 1st build in the Corsair 460X was 1) 3 x front fan inlet temp (top fan), 2) 2 x top fan outlet temp (forward fan), 3) rear fan outlet temp, and 4) SATA III SSD cable management area temp. The front fan inlet temp probably should have been placed in front of the bottom fan as I suspect the top fan is affected somewhat by the exhausting hot air out the top. The SATA SSD sensor placement was really just trying to use the 4th sensor as I couldn't find an easy way to have it in the motherboard area.
  5. Much appreciated ... thx. Any suggestions on a fan hub that I should purchase? I assume that it must have SATA power and then must be connected to the Commander Pro. Where would it connect to the Commander Pro?
  6. I'm not aware of any Corsair product that controls fan speed via iCUE software other than the Commander Pro. All other products such a Node Pro or Node Core control RGB lighting.
  7. I've decided to add a 2nd Commander Pro to allow iCUE control of all 10 QL120 fans. However, I need an additional USB 2.0 port since the 2 motherboard USB 2.0 ports are full with the 1st Commander Pro and the NZXT Kraken Z73 cooler. The Commander Pro literature indicates that the 2 USB connections are pass through connections for USB 2.0. Are there any issues with connecting the 2nd Commander Pro to 1 of these? I assume that there are limitations (amp draw?) to stacking devices through multiple USB pass throughs connected to a single motherboard USB 2.0 port. Meaning my 1st Commander Pro has a spare USB 2.0 pass through and now the 2nd Commander Pro has 2 spare USB 2.0 pass throughs. I can envision adding an iCUE power supply and a couple of Lighting Node Pros with ambient lighting strips. Thoughts?
  8. I plan on having 10 x Corsair QL120 RGB fans + 3 off-brand fans associated with the radiator. 3 of the Corsair fans will be push-pull with the radiator fans. I have a motherboard with a CPU fan header (4-pin), a pump/fan header??? (4-pin) and 5 system fan headers (4-pin). 2 sets of 3 Corsair fans will provide 2 Corsair Lighting Node Cores. Will I need a Commander Pro? If I read correctly, each fan header should be able to handle 2 fans (maybe 3) for fan speed control. 5 system fan headers should account for all 10 Corsair fans. The radiator fans come with a cable to connect the 3 off-brand fans and appear to be placed in the CPU fan header or the pump/fan header. If this is correct then all fans have fan speed control through the motherboard software ... correct? The 2 Lighting Node Cores would hand RGB control via the iCUE software for all 10 fans ... is this correct? Do these have to be plugged into a USB 2.0 header or can USB 3.0 headers work also? How do you get iCUE to number the fans 1 through 10? Does the Commander Pro do this using channel 1 and channel 2? Meaning 6 fans in channel 1 and 4 fans in channel 2? Please let me know where I am wrong and suggest what is needed. I don't mind buying a Commander Pro but don't want to buy 2. Don't want to buy any of possible. Thanks
  9. Is there any issue of having ICue software up and running in the background all the time? You mention that ICue is a full monitoring software and that it will monitor internal M.2 temp. Does this mean that it monitors anything that the MOBO might have? CPU temp? GPU temp? RAM temp? SATA SSD temp? Did I miss anything? When I get my build done, I will begin to ask questions about controlling fans which is all I will have for now for cooling. Note that I am an engineer and this PC building is about as cool a thing I have done in a few years. I'm excited to say the least.
  10. I appreciate both comments. Since this is my 1st build, I will install the 4 Commander Pro thermal sensors to get an idea how to use them. I have my sensor install comments on the attached pdf and welcome thoughts. The rear exhaust temperature was a great idea and I certainly plan to do that. The 3 other placements are for learning purposes. 1. REAR EXHAUST TEMP 2. CPU FAN INTAKE TEMP 3. HDD RACK AREA TEMP (or possibly M.2 SSD TEMP) 4. COPRO AREA TEMP Corsair 460X Thermal Sensor Placement.pdf
  11. Do the Commander Pro thermal sensors have any value? Should you really use these to control fans? I feel like I should use them because they came with the CoPro. The information I have read on the internet is "all over the map". Comments such as "they are garbage" to "you need them to accurately check temperatures" are confusing. I cannot find anything on the Corsair website about where to place these and how to place (attach) these! I plan to call Corsair technical support but I would like hear forum members thoughts.
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