Coffee Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Just put together a new build using the hydro h100i. It booted fine, and except for the usual first boot issues, everything was great. I put together this build to overclock, so the first thing I did was check stock temps. Much to my dismay, I am seeing extremely high stock temps for my 4770k. On full load the core temps will approach, and sometimes exceed 90 degrees C. Here is picture of intel burn test with hw monitor: http://s17.postimg.org/bvlk6dy8v/cpu_temps.png As you can see the fans and pump appear to be working fine. Putting the fans to max speed has little to no impact on load temps. I also have a ton of airflow in my case, so its not an issue of congested heat. Thinking it was a bad install, I took everything apart, cleaned it, and reassembled. Temps were actually worse this time. This is probably because I used AS5 (only thing I had on hand), which as we know is worse than what comes pre-applied. One thing I did notice was that the mounting bracket was very loose. I have seen the posts about some boards not being 100% compatible. It seems like it is tightening up just fine though. I even tried pushing on the pump during a burn test, but didn't notice any difference. Although maybe there is an issue with the spacing and I am just not seeing it. My next step is an RMA unless anyone can think of something I can try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees Corsair Dustin Posted October 21, 2013 Corsair Employees Share Posted October 21, 2013 It definitely sounds like there isn't enough pressure and contact between the heatspreader and the cold plate. Can you post pictures of your installation from the top and from the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz94 Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Also with that board be sure the cooling head is sitting flush down on the CPU. The caps to the left of the socket are pretty close on some boards. If you have your hoses pointed out that direction they will sit on the caps preventing a total contact patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Posted October 21, 2013 Author Share Posted October 21, 2013 I agree, it doesn't seem like it is making great contact, but I am not sure how else to do it. I suppose I could try flipping the direction it is installed. Here are some pics of my install. http://s11.postimg.org/unpp9u2gz/20131021_152042.jpg http://s11.postimg.org/4bkr47cw3/20131021_152157.jpg http://s11.postimg.org/kex840ef7/20131021_152217.jpg http://s11.postimg.org/g38mf07ib/20131021_152228.jpg http://s11.postimg.org/4cuoxmepv/20131021_152239.jpg http://s11.postimg.org/vkw4ipdz7/20131021_152255.jpg http://s11.postimg.org/8i5ljjchv/20131021_152305.jpg http://s11.postimg.org/5x00w0n43/20131021_152352.jpg http://s11.postimg.org/58r6d2oeb/20131021_152446.jpg http://s11.postimg.org/p4n5sm5fn/20131021_152520.jpg http://s11.postimg.org/e6gy7jn5v/20131021_152531.jpg As you can see, remove the back mounting bracket is painful. Getting a new case in a few days that should make it easier for me to play around with the mounting. Do you see anything glaringly wrong with this install? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees Corsair Dustin Posted October 21, 2013 Corsair Employees Share Posted October 21, 2013 My gut reaction is that it looks like the block is mounted slightly crooked. Check to see if the mounting screws are going directly into the backplate correctly or if they're sticking out at angles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz94 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I agree with Dustin, it does look lopsided to a point. But i cant tell if it really is or just the angle of the pic itself. One other thing to try is pushing on the cooling block while it's running. Keep CL open so you can watch your temps. If they drop right away you may need to add a set of washers to the backplate to get the cooling block to snug up some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotendbz1 Posted October 22, 2013 Share Posted October 22, 2013 I have found that AS5 does not work real well with corsair coolers. the original TIM works very well. If you can get your hands on some TIM that is thicker the as5 such as mx2 or mx4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 Yeah, I agree. In person it looks a little off as well. I tried to reseat it but had the same results. I also tried pushing, nudging, and pulling on it, while under stress load and watching temps. No difference. @gotendbz1 The AS5 was just for a reseat test. I would have loved to keep the stock paste, but the temps were still very high with it. I ordered some tuniq tx-4 that I will throw on there. I also ordered a new case with a bigger whole in the back plate which should make it much easier for me to play around with the H100i's seating. Everything should be here by this weekend. Would you happen to know what washer size I should use? The backplate flops all over the place with my motherboard. I am also a little worried that the mounting screws may have been bent when I first installed the block. I saw some other users had this problem with a loose backplate and it also caused them to have high temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz94 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 I tried to reseat it but had the same results. I also tried pushing, nudging, and pulling on it, while under stress load and watching temps. No difference. I was kind of looking for direct pressure on the pump. That would simulate the same effect as having the washers on and you would have noticed an immediate drop in your temps. At this point, I really think your best course of action would be to have it replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 Received my new case today and started tearing down my old one. Removing the H100i block shows there definitely is a problem with contact. Here is a picture of what it looked like when I pulled the block. This is with a line method of TIM application. I did the line more or less to see how it spread. http://s10.postimg.org/5v42w1mzd/20131023_202718.jpg As you can see, it was a terribly uneven spread. I am 90% sure the problem is with the loose backplate. Going to take the backplate down to the hardware store tomorrow and see if I can match it up with some washers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotendbz1 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 the backplate is just connect with the double end screws, are those mounted flush? you should be able to tell if backplate is mounted correctly or not by looking at it. try the pea method when applying the TIM and see hwo that goes. also try rotating the way the cooler is mounts and see if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 They won't mount flush with my board. I think it is a problem the h100i has with a lot of asus boards. As a consequence, they fall all over the place even when tightened completely. Makes it hard to evenly tighten them when you are putting on the block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz94 Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 It'snot the coolers but the ASUS boards. If you notice the caps to the left side of the CPU socket. The cooling head when mounted in some orientations can get hung up on those capacitors. Usually turning the cooling block 90deg one way or the other will allow the block to sit flush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Posted October 24, 2013 Author Share Posted October 24, 2013 Alright I stopped by the hardware store and grabbed some neoprene washers. For the boards where the backplate fits well, how tight is the fit? I ask because if I use one washer + the original washer, there is still a little bit of play. 2 washers gives it a very tight fit, but I am somewhat worried about damage to the mobo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytnyt Posted October 24, 2013 Share Posted October 24, 2013 not floppy but just enough movement to allow you to align the cooler is all thats needed,and finger tightn snugly without using a screwdriver or tool... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 Tried the washers with tuniq tx-4, but that only got my temps back to where they were when I first installed the h100i (low 80s on intel burn test). Going to try the 90 degree rotations, and if that doesn't work, I will throw the stock intel cooler on there to see if I just have a really bad chip. Thanks everyone for all the help and responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skates Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I'm interested in your results as I have an ASUS as well and am about to put it all together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grd003 Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Just put together a new build using the hydro h100i. It booted fine, and except for the usual first boot issues, everything was great. I put together this build to overclock, so the first thing I did was check stock temps. Much to my dismay, I am seeing extremely high stock temps for my 4770k. On full load the core temps will approach, and sometimes exceed 90 degrees C. Here is picture of intel burn test with hw monitor: http://s17.postimg.org/bvlk6dy8v/cpu_temps.png As you can see the fans and pump appear to be working fine. Putting the fans to max speed has little to no impact on load temps. I also have a ton of airflow in my case, so its not an issue of congested heat. Thinking it was a bad install, I took everything apart, cleaned it, and reassembled. Temps were actually worse this time. This is probably because I used AS5 (only thing I had on hand), which as we know is worse than what comes pre-applied. One thing I did notice was that the mounting bracket was very loose. I have seen the posts about some boards not being 100% compatible. It seems like it is tightening up just fine though. I even tried pushing on the pump during a burn test, but didn't notice any difference. Although maybe there is an issue with the spacing and I am just not seeing it. Do you still have those high readings? If yes, your high temperatures are certainly commensurate with your CPU high power usage indications. edit: Geez, I ran Intel burn test and got worse temperatures than you 4770K @ 4.4GHz). I've always used Prime95, which makes everything look swell -- 70C max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 Do you still have those high readings? If yes, your high temperatures are certainly commensurate with your CPU high power usage indications. edit: Geez, I ran Intel burn test and got worse temperatures than you 4770K @ 4.4GHz). I've always used Prime95, which makes everything look swell -- 70C max. You are talking about the high vcore right? I didn't notice that was so high. I am guessing it has something to do with asus AI suite. I uninstalled it, but I know you sometimes have to run a cleaner to remove all the services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grd003 Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 I had never run Intel burn test, but I was talking about your 123.62W Package and 116W IA Cores, with 89.8% 4770K activity load; and 1.296Vcore and 1.281VID. I didn't know burn test was such a killer. I ran it again just now for 10 times and got 91-98C cores (@ 4.4GHz), which was startling. It passed, but that is the last I ever run it. My power usage was higher than yours (clock rate related), with lower 1.254VID and 0.952VCore. My water temp only got to 34C. Yours was 28.6. Prime95 blend only gives me 70C max, so I thought everything was wonderful. Mine is fine, you're probably okay. I think I need to research temperatures that others have gotten using Intel burn test, but our high temperatures are directly power usage related. LOL, Intel does know how to test a CPU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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