jlehtinen Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Just bought and installed a Corsair H100i. Mounted the fans onto the cooler body, and then noticed that the screws are too long! They extend into the body of the cooler and actually hit and damage the cooling fins! And no, I did not overtighten the screws, and I didn't install the fans incorrectly. I checked online, and found several other reviews that note this same issue - so it wasn't just me. I don't think the coolant channels were hit, so I don't think it will leak, but WOW am I disappointed. I was really excited about this cooler, but this is such a big oversight considering it causes physical damage to the unit, and all that is needed is a set of washers or a shorter screw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz94 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Thats normal for the screws to touch the fins. It the tubes that carry the water and ther is absolutely no performance loss from those couple of wrinkles. I have other RADs that have all done the same thing. So it's not just limited to these coolers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytnyt Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 the screw holes are drilled spot on in between the cooling fins so theres no chance of contacting the water jackets. also it would take up to 30% overall fin closure before a temp change would occur,thats alot so the small amount from a screw is no problem at all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKeifer Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Peanutz94, wytnyt: It's the little things such as something like this that show's just how quality conscious a company is. There's no need to try and defend such a design oversight. Corsair should take input like this to heart and improve their design accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz94 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Thats just it, I'm not defending a "design oversight". If thats the case then there are plenty of other RAD manufacturers that made the same mistake. As I said, I have others ( 3 EK'S , alphacool) and a that have all done the same thing. I would have to think they did it intentionally to keep users who have no clue what they are doing from piercing the tubes on the radiator causing a leak. What does it matter if they hit the fins a bit? It's not causing any damage and it's definitely not hurting performance any. And it is also in a spot where it can't be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKeifer Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Hi, Maybe it's no big deal and I am just being hyper critical. IMHO, however, if a company falls into complacency and begins accepting missing little design errors (yes, too long a screw is an error), it's just a matter of time before they allow a big one to get through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz94 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Hi, Maybe it's no big deal and I am just being hyper critical. IMHO, however, if a company falls into complacency and begins accepting missing little design errors (yes, too long a screw is an error), it's just a matter of time before they allow a big one to get through. How do you figure too long of screw is an oversight? Do you know how screws are sized? They only make them in certain lengths. The ones used are 1.25in long The next size is too short (1.0) in and the next one up even longer. The go in 1/4in increments. 1/8in increments are extremely hard to find if at all. it's just a matter of time before they allow a big one to get through. How do you figure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlehtinen Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 Peanutz, you're way off track here. It matters to me that the screws hit the fans, because it causes damage to the cooler. I don't care if it's a little bit of damage or it won't impact performance, installing a brand new component exactly the way the manufacture intends should not cause damage to it. Think about it this way. What if you bought a brand new car, and right before you drove off the lot, the salesman ran a key down your door and scratched the paint up. Does it impact your gas mileage or how quickly you can brake? No. But is it going to make you upset? Yes, of course. Also, this is supposed to be a top-tier closed loop cooler. ALL that it would take to fix this is a set of washers. So you're telling me I paid $120 for a cooler and they couldn't be bothered to add washers that cost less than $1? That is either lazy or just stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytnyt Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Think about it this way. What if you bought a brand new car, and right before you drove off the lot, the salesman ran a key down your door and scratched the paint up. Does it impact your gas mileage or how quickly you can brake? No. But is it going to make you upset? Yes, of course. do you even know how many shortcuts,alterations,compromises are done in building a car?,,many have paint touchups among many others... you would be amazed besides your comparison is self serving and inaccurately comprised,,its way past comparing apples to oranges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlehtinen Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 wytnyt, I have no idea why you're attempting to provoke me, but it's pretty silly. The issue being discussed here is not my ability to create a metaphor that pleases you. The issue is the part in bold in my post, which you have ignored: ...installing a brand new component exactly the way the manufacture intends should not cause damage to it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4D7 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 One should include a screw that is "long-enough" to "guarantee" it will secure the object it is supporting. Consider vibration and the screw "backing-off" or untightening. If the screw stopped just past the threads, it would not make contact with the fins of the radiator - but you'd be left with support that is barely holding the unit together. So ask yourself, would you rather have untouched fins with less than perfect support, OR - A secure, solid unit. As explained above, the screw coming in contact with the "fins" has no impact on the durability or performance of the "radiator". If you would rather have the radiator barely secured, or "aesthetically" perfect, then do not continue tightening the screw into the fins.. use a couple washers as spacers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlehtinen Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 One should include a screw that is "long-enough" to "guarantee" it will secure the object it is supporting. Consider vibration and the screw "backing-off" or untightening. If the screw stopped just past the threads, it would not make contact with the fins of the radiator - but you'd be left with support that is barely holding the unit together. No, there is actually a large gap there of several mm. There is plenty of space to allow for the overage you describe, while still not hitting the fins. Further, you are basically telling me that the screws fall out of Corsair's equipment just from normal usage - that is a REALLY bad sign for their quality. I hope you are exaggerating. So ask yourself, would you rather have untouched fins with less than perfect support, OR - A secure, solid unit. This is ridiculous. This is NO reason to make these kind of trade-offs. What you are defending is an error in a manufacturing process that requires a minor change to fix, or the inclusion of a few washers in the installation kit. I wouldn't even care if they charged $5 more just to include 8 washers. Just fix it! You people do not seem to understand what a design flaw is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4D7 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Further, you are basically telling me that the screws fall out of Corsair's equipment just from normal usage - that is a REALLY bad sign for their quality. I hope you are exaggerating. No, their equipment is built to the highest standards. They just release firmware updates that brick our coolers. I wouldn't even care if they charged $5 more just to include 8 washers. Just fix it! You people do not seem to understand what a design flaw is. At the point during the installation, where the screw touches the fins, why did you not stop and run down to the hardware store to grab a couple washers for .80 cents? Is it possible you could have avoided "damaging" the fins yourself? or did you think the fins would step out of the way as you finished tightening them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlehtinen Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 No, their equipment is built to the highest standards. They just release firmware updates that brick our coolers. :roll: At the point during the installation, where the screw touches the fins, why did you not stop and run down to the hardware store to grab a couple washers for .80 cents? Is it possible you could have avoided "damaging" the fins yourself? or did you think the fins would step out of the way as you finished tightening them? I noticed it was an issue after all the fans were on, so it was too late. :(: There's no point in removing the screws and putting washers on now, the damage is already done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz94 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Peanutz, you're way off track here. It matters to me that the screws hit the fans, because it causes damage to the cooler. I don't care if it's a little bit of damage or it won't impact performance, installing a brand new component exactly the way the manufacture intends should not cause damage to it. I'm sorry, your way off track. It is not causing any damage . As i said I have had other RADS do the same thing. Unless you use washers or cut your own screw lengths there isn't any other option. They are designed that way so the tubes don't get pierced and leak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlehtinen Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 I admire your fanboy spirit, but you can't argue away a design flaw by saying it's OK because other coolers have the same problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wa3pnt Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 This is one of the most ridiculous discussions I have read on this forum. The horse is DEAD! Can we move on to more meaningful discussions that help people? RodeoGeorge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlehtinen Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 This is one of the most ridiculous discussions I have read on this forum. The horse is DEAD! Can we move on to more meaningful discussions that help people? RodeoGeorge I've been thoroughly entertained watching diehards falling over themselves to defend Corsair from having to provide some 50 cent washers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4D7 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I've been thoroughly entertained watching diehards falling over themselves to defend Corsair from having to provide some 50 cent washers. Are they 50 cents or 5 dollars? That is the real discussion here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wa3pnt Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I am very glad that you have been entertained. I come to the forum for information regarding REAL problem resolution, not entertainment. But to each their own. RodeoGeorge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlehtinen Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 I am very glad that you have been entertained. I come to the forum for information regarding REAL problem resolution, not entertainment. But to each their own. RodeoGeorge Well, I came here hoping that people would be receptive to adding washers to the installation kit, or having shorter screws. I think this whole topic is such a simple concept, and it's such a minor change to make the h100i a flawless product in my mind. And yet, the response from the community has me completely baffled. They say I'm simply wrong, and some even attempt to insult me. Where is this problem resolution/real discussion you speak of? I want some of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz94 Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Aww NVM . If you guys want to believe what you want and nerd rage over this go right ahead. I'm out! LOL:brick::brick::brick::brick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snfo Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Let us put this way Probably a large majority (not to say 99,9%) of the users don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytnyt Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I've been thoroughly entertained watching diehards falling over themselves to defend Corsair from having to provide some 50 cent washers. i think its astonishing the trivial things some people complain about,acting like its a major catastrophe. the real issue is the screw made 4.92965 rotations into the radiator and it should have been 3.754 rotations...:roll: you over tightened it your mistake ,not the cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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