Cliveneo Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Hey guys, I need some help with my set up. I have 10 years of PC building experience bout half that in overclocking n im stumped. (full specs are in my sig.) Here is the issue. I have set the board up and got my overclock stable. Only way to hit stability with my FX 8320 chip @ 4.5, was to set the voltage @ 1.5 and LLC (load line control) at high. AMD recommends for best OC results a voltage of 1.55 , however others would disagree but to each his own. With LLC enabled and CPU voltage set to 1.5 the actual voltage never goes over 1.526 which is not bad. This is cooled by a H100i in push/pull with 4 static SP120 fans at maximum RPMs. Installed with arctic silver. When i got the H100i I Ran Prime for 9 hours, 20 runs of intel burn at maximum, OCCT for 12 hours. Max load temps 55C which is acceptable and the oc was proved (in theory stable). Max gaming temps were around 35-40c. Idle temps were around 19c which is oddly lower than my room ambient temp. weird, (Approx 73f) All ran perfect for a month or more. The other nite, after a hour of gaming Sniper Elite Zombie Army, I noticed the temps were way too high for me around 55c (alt tab out of the game). So I loaded a synthetic OCCT temps shot straight to 80c at which I abruptly discontinued the test and began to scratch my head. I reset the PC and went into the BIOs checking for any changes to my original settings. Nothing the only change is the CPU temp in the BIOs is 40c from its usual 30c. That is when I stopped scratching and began to get pissed thinking I have defective a bad h100i out of nowhere. I go back into windows and say" NAH cant be that hot, its got to be a sensor issue." I load OCCT again and temps hit 82C on the CPU when the PC froze. Hard reset the PC went into the BIOs set all to default, restart and ran Prime for 15 minutes load temps where still higher than they used to be, around 60c max load. But all ran perfect no locks or freezes. THIS IS AT STOCK mind you, no voltage adjusting, no overclocking NADA. Was able to run prime at stock (but almost at the CPUs threshold) for 6 hours. So I think the CPU is OK. I have H00i in a cooler master HAF X case. So now I am thinking the H1000i is failing, maybe the water flow is obstructed. I check the fan speeds and pump speeds everything is normal. Pump is 2300 all 4 RAD fan RPMS are 2500. All set to max. I stop synthetic testing, reset and reapply my OC, boot and run Prime, again hits 83c then the PC shuts off this time. Mind you for a month the CPU was MAX Load 55C running intel burn. Max temps 30 to 40c when running games. Nothing changed, all my settings as far as POWER OPTIONS in the BIOs and Boost are all disabled. Every single option is set the same as it was for a month of COOL operation. Right before the PC shut down I noticed one issue. the TMPIN 2 temps for the motherboard were almost 100c. That was NEVER EVER that high, most it ever hit was 79 to 80c no more than that . So now not only is my CPU reading ridiculous temps but so is my motherboard. I am so clueless. Any PC related issue I ever had was miniscule compared to this. Question. Will a OVERHEATING north-bridge cause the CPU to overheat? How can both of these be overheating at the same time? Only other side issue u had since I built the OC was the -12vlt rail reads -16 volts under load when OCing. And the XFX pro 850 WATT modular PSU I have, has always produced a minor "squeal or wine" since day one even with the PC powered off. Can the PSU have been defective since day 1 and finally its giving away? I think its the H100i failing somehow!!!! HELP PLEASE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryman Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 the 12 volt rail reads 16 volts under load? first off that would probably blow something within seconds second the 12 volt rail should DECREASE under load...also i dont have an AMD processor but 1.5 volts seems extremely high...and your saying your getting 83C at stock? that sounds extremely high for an AMD processor too...if the pump is working then i would make sure the heatsink is on correctly...the whining on the power supply when pc is powered off is normal...i dont think your PSU is defective but i wouldnt know unless i could actually see it and even then i wouldnt know for sure...cant help you much as im not an expert as this but good luck...first thing i would check is to see if the pump is running when the cpu gets super hot and see if the heatsink is mounted correctly which im assuming it is since its been working for...months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz94 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Will a OVERHEATING north-bridge cause the CPU to overheat? Sure. But a failing cooler isn't going to effect board temps like that. How can both of these be overheating at the same time? Only other side issue u had since I built the OC was the -12vlt rail reads -16 volts under load when OCing I think that board is fubared. If you were truly seeing 16v you would also be seeing smoke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveneo Posted May 12, 2013 Author Share Posted May 12, 2013 it was the negative 12vlt rail showing -16. sry i didn't clarify that. I removed and reseated the pump three times, cleaned the radiator with compressed air. 1.45-1.55 is the going rate for FX 82xx series so although that seems high temps were good. as for the NB temp that was noticed right B4 the pc shut down. And again over a month of solid gaming no heat issues and stable temps. this is outa nowhere. And as far as the stock settings yes running prime i got 62c at one point with the h100i and a stock PII 1090t cooler. which was odd. Even in the bios idle temps are around 42c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryman Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 try small FFT with prime 95 for me it gets about 5-10C hotter than blend also negative volt rail? so you mean -16 is 8 volts? your pc would shut off if it got below 11 heck probably 11.2 sorry im not an expert on rail voltages so i dont know exactly what you mean by negative volt rail...but try small FFT and see if your temps get as high as intelburntest did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveneo Posted May 12, 2013 Author Share Posted May 12, 2013 as far as the board temps they were that hot only when oc'ed. when i ran the system at stock after all this mess it was running at temps it used to run during the 4.5 OC which were around 82c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryman Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 ok just looked up negative volt rail and it shouldnt be showing -16 so its reporting it wrong it should be showing around -11 to -13 MAX although i did only look at one web page lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveneo Posted May 12, 2013 Author Share Posted May 12, 2013 im not sure either. CPUID HW monitor shows a +12vlt rail n a -12vlt rail. +12vlt decreases yes to around 11.95 or so under heavy load. most of my PSUs decreased a bit over the yrs. the -12vlt ive nver seen b4 until i got this PSU n yes it drops to -16.00 under heavy load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryman Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 ok that makes more sense but i still dont think the negative volt rail should be that low but at least you wernt saying the positive one was 16 volts...if its above 12.5 volts thats not good so 16...WAY too high...and anything above 12.8 id pull the plug...but its normal for it to raise to about a max of 12.3 volts at idle if its a cheaper psu...even the 60 dollar bronze 500 watt one i had before this 860i ax psu or whatever it got to 12.2-12.3 at idle but this newer psu i got it doesnt go above 12.1 at idle and keeps voltages very stable...point is glad it wasnt the +12 volt rail LOL! im sorry to hear cpu temps are high :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveneo Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 yea im stumped dude. all was perfect was like yea in certain games (tomb raider) min fos went up my as much as 20 during cpu intensive locales. man when im telling load temps on prime were 45- 50c intel burn @ max 55c ran these along with OCCT for hours n hours to ensure stability. then outa the blue BOOM 55c during gaming 80c stressing WTH. wonder if peanutz is right the board IS fubar or the cooler aint pumping right. one of the tubes for the h100I gets kinda hot which im to assume its working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveneo Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 the heck can it be???? i did run prime at stock even tho the cpu was hot for 6+ hours. max temps were round 62 at its maximum. so i know the cpu is good otherwise id deff see failure within 6 hours. so that only leaves MOBO or the H1O0i thats what im tryin to determine dont want to RMA three things at once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveneo Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 does n e 1 know the symptoms of a failing h100i lol???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytnyt Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 sounds like a m/b issue to me also,,probably too much Oc'ing too close to threshold parameters the cooler is rather simple in operation,the pump runs at specified rpm which circulates the fluid thats cooled by fans never seen a rad get clogged up so if the pumps running and theres no pinched lines then chances are its good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveneo Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 sounds like a m/b issue to me also,,probably too much Oc'ing too close to threshold parameters the cooler is rather simple in operation,the pump runs at specified rpm which circulates the fluid thats cooled by fans never seen a rad get clogged up so if the pumps running and theres no pinched lines then chances are its good. I think i am going to have to agree with you. The closed loops are rather simple in design and the pump is deff working @ 2300 rpms. so i will get a new motherboard and see if that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveneo Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 so much for "ultra durable 3" i had a gigabyte 890fx ud5 board was awesome this 990fx ud3 horrid n im a GB fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytnyt Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 good xcuse for an upgrade;): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesternDreaming Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 do you have way to test the currents on the pci-e lanes coming from the NB? if the pce-i lanes are under volting from gpu OC then yes, the -rail would drop more, the NB would heat up and the mobo temps would skyrocket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveneo Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 No i do not have a volt meter. the gpu is not oced. I do OC it but it hasent been since b4 I noticed the issue. I will try various connections for my modular PSU. There are connections that say CPU/PCI-E which i found odd. the there are ones that say main that is for the 24 pin and another that says motherboard power. its weird. but ill try that as I did change some unused cabling. I do believe all i did was remove a unused molex and set everything else up the same way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babdi Posted May 13, 2013 Share Posted May 13, 2013 so much for "ultra durable 3" i had a gigabyte 890fx ud5 board was awesome this 990fx ud3 horrid n im a GB fan My 2 cents I was a GB fanboy too till one of my GA890GPA-UD3H's 24 pin socket cracked. Now I have Asrock and am 'appy :loveeyes:. GB's quality is failing Also moved from AMD to Intel :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveneo Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 yea im feeling ya on the GB thing. I ordered a ASUS Saber-tooth 990fx. but hey someone please assure me that a dying CPU lets say it was just the CPU that was failing, is not going heat up ridiculously. the CPU is the only item i have that's not warrantied. As i said in previous posts even tho the cpu was hotter, way hotter it was within thermal threshold so I ran prime95 blend for 6+ hours not one error or warning. My CPU is fine right? humor me???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveneo Posted May 13, 2013 Author Share Posted May 13, 2013 also when i called GB they were saying check the PSU and see if it is pumping too much voltage. Im not a a electric dude, no way a PSU Plat certified can over volt the MOBO arbitrarily? HW monitor and bios monitor reading all the inputs to be perfect. only thing was the -12 rail under load was -15 or so. I am just trying to make surer my h100i, CPU and PSU are all allegedly 10-4 and its the MOBO thats the cause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesternDreaming Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 its funny, you are describing exactly what happens when your NB fries i've OCed tons of junk in my day and bricked even more junk the sabertooth was going to be one of my options for my newest build but decided against asus for not properly utilizing the plx chip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytnyt Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 i wouldnt use any other board than a asus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryman Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 i use asrock works perfectly fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliveneo Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 lol k good good, least my cpu aint fried. i bricked 2 msi dka790gxm boards back to back trying to oc a 1090t. the !@#$% just shut down n was out. this NB just says im hurting but i aint shutting down. bro CPU read 62c in the bios. and system temp was 32c. was like yea right system temp must be ambient inside the case. i felt the pipes on my h100i and the backplate barely warm. felt the NB dam head hit the ceiling it was so hot. took 5 min to cool down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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