nabokovfan87 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 2ND ATTEMPT AT WRITING THIS (Why are the forums always saying "server too busy"?) --------------------------------- I have the above ram and motherboard (GD80 variant) and would like to work out what on earth is going on with these things. I have two questions, but let me explain the situation first. The way the bios is laid out if something boots stable enough it will become the new default. After trying to time things according to the various different sources I have (Everest, bios SPD, CPU-Z, and now the MSI config SPD) I don't have agreeing information. Everest has 1333/1600 missing for some reason and has the most exhaustive list available. I sort of mixed the few to get the best idea of a place to start. As others have stated I am having issues with Memtest 86+, Test 6, and need some help fixing it. Last thread I found on the topic simply was told to overvolt the heck out of the ram for no good reason other then "well it's amd so..." Needless to say I would like to exhaust all possibilities before going that route. Anyways, 2 questions: 1. Why 2T timing? I bought these on the basis that if you have 4 slots full the bios will default to 2T command rate in order to try to prevent the memory controller from causing faults. So, I have 2 slots full, and am told that the super duper high end high binned ram has to run in slow mode. Just trying to understand why that is for this case. This was the faster timing of the two 1866 2x8gb kits available and running in 1333 I should be able to up that, but I would think if I wasn't being crazy with timings I should be able to go to 1T when I get a steamroller CPU. 2. Anyone have history with this setup and can provide some insight? The amd/dominator platinum thing seems to be coming up but all I can find the the asus 990fx sabertooth thread. Any and all help appreciated. Thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz94 Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 First , please make sure you have the latest BIOS for your MB that could potentially be an issue if you haven't already. BIOS updates often add compatibility for newer modules. As far as the timings go, you just need to set the first four and frequency and leave everything else on auto. The Mb will set the rest accordingly. Last thread I found on the topic simply was told to overvolt the heck out of the ram for no good reason other then "well it's amd so..." The modules are good up to 2.0v and you would not be overvolting the memory. AMD systems in general (especially the older ones as your 965)require more voltage than an Intel system especially at higher speeds. 1.6-1.65v is normal for that CPU and you may also require a slight bump in the NB voltage. but I would think if I wasn't being crazy with timings I should be able to go to 1T when I get a steamroller CPU. Not necessarily. CR rate is more of a MB setting than a memory setting and will depend on the strength of the memory controller in your CPU as to whether or not you can run them at 1t. Which really isn't used much any more. Corsair recommends 2t for best stability anyway for all of their kits regardless of the system. If you can get them to run at 1t then that's a boon. 1t is pretty hard o the memory controller, so you may or may not be able to use that setting. If your running the 965 CPU in your system specs they are not that great at overclocking and mot struggle with speeds above 1333mhz . Some will just refuse to run at 1600mhz or higher no matter the timings and voltage you throw at them. Are they stable at 13333mhz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted April 24, 2013 Author Share Posted April 24, 2013 Yes, I an on latest bios. I already told you why defaults won't work, and the slowest jaded spec is still flagging errors. Based on that, no they aren't stable at 1333. I will try the xmp 1866 timings and see what happens. They are a tad looser in some areas so it may be the last little bit I need. Like I said, this is a common issue with these on AMD 990fx and I would like to do a bit more then haphazardly over volt things. The only reason that makes sense to me in terms of justifying bumping it up would be the 45nm process and the resistance of the wire of the chip itself being larger then the designed Intel products and the latest AMD offerings. I will try those looser timings and then try 1.55 and 1.6 volts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wired Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Why are the forums always saying "server too busy"?)I've never seen that message, and I've been here since day 1 back in 2000. If it happens again, PM me a screenshot of the error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted April 25, 2013 Author Share Posted April 25, 2013 Took 6 attempts for the site to load... http://db.tt/35Y6HO7k http://db.tt/s7044eUN As far as the ram goes I made some headway. See the screen below for the results. http://db.tt/PIJ5n0jW So, I ran the default 1333 timings at 1.5, 1.6, and 1.65 volts. nothing happened but the errors went from 15 minutes in to 5 to 1 minute in respectively. I swapped the voltage back to default and implemented the xmp timings that are a little looser. For some of the values the bios didn't go that high, but I just maxed out the values. I think one of them was Trc where it was supposed to be 44 or 48, but the max on the bios was 42. Anyways, the test made it MUCH further prior to the initial error and it looks Luke following that, the error occurs for the same memory value consistently. The question is, what now? I can post my current timing settings once I upgrade my os drive. Should be able to do it tomorrow, but NFL draft may keep me. Let me know your thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanutz94 Posted April 25, 2013 Share Posted April 25, 2013 So, I ran the default 1333 timings at 1.5, 1.6, and 1.65 volts. nothing happened but the errors went from 15 minutes in to 5 to 1 minute in respectively. I swapped the voltage back to default and implemented the xmp timings that are a little looser. For some of the values the bios didn't go that high, but I just maxed out the values. I think one of them was Trc where it was supposed to be 44 or 48, but the max on the bios was 42. All you need to set are the first four ad leave the rest on auto. If the sticks are failing at those settings then you should just get them replaced. With the new systems there is no need to play with secondary timings. Especially since they are producing errors no matter what settings you are using. Something else you may want to take a look at that may also help ... http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=110429 Took 6 attempts for the site to load... http://db.tt/35Y6HO7k http://db.tt/s7044eUN Yeah that is weird. Wired has been here since day 1 and I have been here almost three years and never seen that message. And I check in about 8-10 times a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted April 26, 2013 Author Share Posted April 26, 2013 . All you need to set are the first four ad leave the rest on auto. If the sticks are failing at those settings then you should just get them replaced. With the new systems there is no need to play with secondary timings. Especially since they are producing errors no matter what settings you are using. Something else you may want to take a look at that may also help ... http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=110429 Yeah that is weird. Wired has been here since day 1 and I have been here almost three years and never seen that message. And I check in about 8-10 times a day. It happens no matter if I'm on my phone or pc, ie and ff. I already stated why I am messing with secondary timings and I already said I'm running in 1333. I'm looking for actual help not just rinse and repeat generic forum advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted April 26, 2013 Corsair Employees Share Posted April 26, 2013 You do not need to mess with secondary timings as the BIOS will automatically configure itself correct to match the timings we configured the memory to. This is why we don't provide specific secondary timings and this is why people are telling you to leave it alone. There is no reason why your memory cannot startup at default settings at 1333mhz if you are using an AM3+ CPU (which has a base frequency of 1333) as if you can't, there is an issue with the board, the memory or the CPU. As for software to report your actual frequency, CPU-Z is one we have found to be most accurate. You can include a screenshot and we can confirm it for you if you're unsure of your memory frequency. Finally, your CPU has a lot to do with the headroom you have for overclocking memory. While the memory you have is tested at 1866mhz on an intel platform, the architecture of AMD's memory controller is not going to be the same. Its beyond the resistance of a single wire as you stated before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nabokovfan87 Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share Posted May 1, 2013 You do not need to mess with secondary timings as the BIOS will automatically configure itself correct to match the timings we configured the memory to. This is why we don't provide specific secondary timings and this is why people are telling you to leave it alone. There is no reason why your memory cannot startup at default settings at 1333mhz if you are using an AM3+ CPU (which has a base frequency of 1333) as if you can't, there is an issue with the board, the memory or the CPU. 1. I'm running at 1333 with all the defaults, with everyone on auto and it still does it. I specifically stated results for that earlier. 2. I told you how the motherboard actually works with regards to the auto settings in the bios and I was trying to fix that and did for the most part. 3. The last screenshot I showed has a SINGLE ADDRESS with the issue. Meaning the errors being found are so minute it may be ignore or that spot is bad, or simply it is nearly timed correctly. As for software to report your actual frequency, CPU-Z is one we have found to be most accurate. You can include a screenshot and we can confirm it for you if you're unsure of your memory frequency. Noted and I have been using that as my basis. Finally, your CPU has a lot to do with the headroom you have for overclocking memory. While the memory you have is tested at 1866mhz on an intel platform, the architecture of AMD's memory controller is not going to be the same. Its beyond the resistance of a single wire as you stated before. How does the architechure of the chip determine the actual input voltage of the memory chip? I understand what you mean in terms of timings and how those will be affected, but why is "raise the voltage" the shorthand for a solution and having AMD specific parts at this point. UPDATE: I had to redo my OS drive, that's done, but I am still getting up and running. Like I said, down to a single address. I will take a picture when I can and whenever the forums decide to cooperate I will get it up here. I've been refreshing/reloading this forum since 7:30... it's 9:30 now. PLEASE look into that issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elanorth Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Hi, Same issue my Asus crosshair formula V mother board.im try default speed and timings same problem.Test other amd sistem same issue again,memory error memtest. I used to exchange the items (RMA). I've had the same problem when trying to back new memories. I 1866Mhz memory available in different brands. 1866Mhz without any problem using this brand. Memtest does not receive any error. Currently attached to my head. Corsair dominator I bought 2 months during the live issue. Half the price of brand X is a memory made me happy. Why x2 corsair price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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