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I have only 1 question, how many speakers are present in each ear cup?

Are we talking emulation of 7,1 Dolby throught 1 speakers per earcup OR TRUE 7,1 dolby with 5 speakers per earcup?

 

The specs just doesn't says on your webpages.

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Nerver mind, am guessing its emulation, too bad.

Any project on making one with True 7,1 eventually?

With 3 1/8 jacks or better instead of the USB.

 

Corsair's optimized HRTF positional audio technology gives you the tactical advantage you need for victory. Accurate reproduction of multi-channel 5.1/7.1 surround sound gaming audio

 

Just saying, its good that you actually wrote it, just would have been nicer to put it in the specs sheet also.

Also, with all du respect, there is no such thing as accurate reproduction of 5.1/7.1 surround sound with only 2 speakers. It can give you a mild impression of one, but it still is 2.1 MAX.

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I agree that virtualized 7.1 is garbage however stuffing 5 speakers into a headset's earcup is equally as junky.

 

what you want is a real high quality driver in your headset that can reproduce soundstage accurately not a cheap and cheezy multiple driver setup.

 

I love watching the first nightcrawler scene in Xmen 2 with my audio technicas it is trippy how accurately they place the sound in a 3d soundscape.

 

sadly the corsair V2K only rates an O.K. to poor at 3D sound in its current state. there is supposedly a new driver refresh sometime this year, while I am hopeful I am not expecting much. IMO 7.1 is done with headphone speaker quality not with quantity of speakers or the software virtualizers.

 

demand for better speakers not for more in your headsets.

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I agree that virtualized 7.1 is garbage however stuffing 5 speakers into a headset's earcup is equally as junky.

 

what you want is a real high quality driver in your headset that can reproduce soundstage accurately not a cheap and cheezy multiple driver setup.

 

I love watching the first nightcrawler scene in Xmen 2 with my audio technicas it is trippy how accurately they place the sound in a 3d soundscape.

 

sadly the corsair V2K only rates an O.K. to poor at 3D sound in its current state. there is supposedly a new driver refresh sometime this year, while I am hopeful I am not expecting much. IMO 7.1 is done with headphone speaker quality not with quantity of speakers or the software virtualizers.

 

demand for better speakers not for more in your headsets.

 

Thanks to reply to this.

I never mentioned quantities over quality, am referring to quality and quantities.Thus True 7,1 or 5,1 with quality.

 

Its true that its always better to have better quality speaker over a bad quality multi-channel but why not go back to both like before?

 

I mean how many of you in BF2 actually aimed at a jet in a chopper only by ears and hit every single time?

OR strafe left a fraction of a seconds before a jeep pass you over because you heard it precisely behind you?

Or targeted by ear your next target as you are killing another one?

You simply cannot do this with channel virtualization nor with good quality stereo headset.

 

This is my point.

I own a turtlebeach HPA... the very first one. Its over 10 years old and it still does the job. It Never broke into pieces, i only changed the ears cushion for bigger one as the first one were too thin for confort.

With a good sound card and motherboard there is no hmmm or HDD clicking in the background.

 

Why overload the CPU with extra USB port to generate 7,1/5,1 virtual channels?

Personally I find the wireless option unnecessary.

Wired is faster, cleaner and less prompt to signal interference.

 

Now Turtle beach lowered severally the quality of their gaming headset, plus to make matter worse they are selling virtual 5,1 also now with wireless feature for a very hefty price. People tend to buy the most expensive one believing its better, witch it is not.

 

I saw several other company try this road also.Thrustmaster, Logitech, Panasonic to name a few, both in true and virtual 5,1.

Now we are starting to see 7,1 also. Tho am not sure if we can really see the difference.

 

Razor per example made one recently, true 7,1, tho it is a expensive and very beautiful headset, am not sure if it truly does the job like mine tho.

 

There is also the aspect of the games driver also, or windows in most cases. To be blunt, most are crappy one, and most dont even notice the difference.

 

So the one from corsair, seem pretty average looking to me, i mean compare to the m90/m95 or the k60/k65 beauty and sturdiness, the corsair virtual 7,1 headset doesn't scream quality to my ears or eyes. And to make it worse, its virtualization not True 7,1. Should they try harder? I think so, or if not abandon the idea of making any other altogether.

 

BTW, In mine i have 2 small and 1 average speaker on each earcup properly positioned and inclined. One large one aim outside for powefull subs. When i say large i mean like 85% the size of the earcup itself. Since its not USB powered, thus theres a power transformer to plug in the 120V. Its a TRUE skull shaker, i do mean it. There have been issues with some version that followed in design and component. But i assure you, mine only had 1 problem, ear comfort, and that have been easily resolved with bigged ear cushions. The moment they started doing USB powered headset, quality and watts went down. Then Windows started to force every gamer to use their sound driver to be able to use DirectX 10. Am sure some remember this. From there true 5,1 started to be really crappy. Now using 5,1 in BF3?.. lol its a joke. Your better off with a stereo sennheiser.

 

So i understand why you are saying quality over quantities. But you need to understand that both are quite possible with all the correct setting. (True 5,1, good quality sound card, Properly build dolby approved 5,1 sound driver in game, Good quality shielded wires, Sturdy and comfortable headset frame, metal are always better with the velvet bungee strap.)

 

By the way, there is a difference between Dolby approved and Dolby Supported. Per example Soundblaster are Supported, they use Dolby filter but not like the Dolby technician want them to use it. Dolby Approved they use them and were tested and approved by the Dolby group. Ever heard of Auzentech? They are the only one i heard who are approved by Dolby. Their cards have all the options thats soundblaster had. Those at over 450$ with the optical hookup. But they sold them all on 1 card for 120$ Plus it was a beautiful ionized silver green and gold all over. Before Auzentech, the only sound card that were supported by Dolby was a few selection of on board sound card on old 486Dx2. Sound ludicrous? Look it up. You dont have to take my words for it.

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come back and make comments after you played with proper headphones from real headphone companies like AKG, Audio technica, Sennheiser. having proper soundstage from proper drivers in your headset is a beautiful thing I turn off dolby headphone when I have my headphones on and playing CoD, I'm always catching people unprepared and can accurately pinpoint locations via PROPER headphones. I always unplug my 5.1 system and play via headphones.

 

as I said before that nightcrawler scene in Xmen 2 is awesome with headphones vs my 5.1 system

 

also how can you get depth and sound separation from 5 speakers squeezed into a tiny headphone cup? they're only separated by millimeters what kind of separation and spacing are you going to get from that? and if having 5-10-20 speakers in a headphone cup is better why aren't the $1,000, $2,000 headphones from these high end companies made with more than 1 driver per earcup?

 

proper soundstage is a beautiful thing. don't ask for more ****ty drivers per earcup demand better.

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And here I was thinking that making a surround sound is easier in headphones rather than sound system since everything you need to work for is already in your ears. No need for individual speaker to place it in the "ideal" position from where a person is sitting. Let alone 5 people sitting in different places.
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come back and make comments after you played with proper headphones from real headphone companies like AKG, Audio technica, Sennheiser. having proper soundstage from proper drivers in your headset is a beautiful thing I turn off dolby headphone when I have my headphones on and playing CoD, I'm always catching people unprepared and can accurately pinpoint locations via PROPER headphones. I always unplug my 5.1 system and play via headphones.

 

as I said before that nightcrawler scene in Xmen 2 is awesome with headphones vs my 5.1 system

 

also how can you get depth and sound separation from 5 speakers squeezed into a tiny headphone cup? they're only separated by millimeters what kind of separation and spacing are you going to get from that? and if having 5-10-20 speakers in a headphone cup is better why aren't the $1,000, $2,000 headphones from these high end companies made with more than 1 driver per earcup?

 

proper soundstage is a beautiful thing. don't ask for more ****ty drivers per earcup demand better.

 

You never questioned how sounds is actually perceived by the human ear. Its not just how the sounds is distorted, its also the body resonance to sounds. Witch cannot be replicated with modified sounds through 1 speaker or two. Its as simple as that. If your ok with your 2 hight quality speaker, then fine. Am happy for you, but thats your opinion. I never asked for thousand of speakers in each earcup.. i said 4. They ain't tiny, theres 2 medium, 1 small and one almost as big as the earcup. If you cant perceive how the combination of 4 speaker per cup could generate that perception, then maybe thats because you actually never tried it. And its ok if you dont want to try it. Why do you think they put 3 or 4 kind of speaker on soundsystem? Hight frequency are best passed through small speaker, lower frequency are best pass through bigger one. As easy as that. The moment your trying to pass everything into 1, you lack dept and responses of everything.

 

As for your comment to "play with real speaker" I will simply ignore the comment. If you cant properly reply, just dont. If you want to reply, go open a book on Dolby electronic device and how sounds are transform and filtered before replying. I actually studied it. You can get a close effect to 5,1 on 2.1 Dolby, i never said it wasn't possible, but for a audiophile its just a cheap replica, even on the most expensive and biggest speakers.

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I would refer you to this G78: http://www.corsair.com/en/blog/50mm_audio_drivers_why_they_matter/

 

But I am in agreement with mycroftxxx. Until you try really nice headsets, you'll never be able to appreciate why headsets only use 2 drivers. Music in its finest quality is always going to be stereo. As for headsets, when you use multiple drivers, there's always going to be issues, both subjective and objective. One of them also will be how do you accommodate ear perception? Will your ear truly pick up the rear driver to simulate the sound of someone coming up behind you? How do you do that in an enclosed earcup that works for everyone given no one's ear shapes are the same?

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Two drivers using virtualized 7.1 is significantly better than true 7.1 crammed into as small space. The human ear is extremely good at distinguishing directions with only one driver per ear (See video

). Many techies support this idea, some even say that stereo sound can be better than virtualized 7.1.

I suppose if you spent $20-40 on each speaker in a true 5.1/7.1 headset, then it would sound pretty good. But, I haven't found a headset manufacturer that is willing to go to that extent. Most of the current "true 5.1" headsets on the market right now either have some serious quality control issues or awful audio quality.

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