shooter99 Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 @ixion The Cool 'n Quiete Feature only works with the AMD Boxed heat sink, maybe this has been the reason for you temperature/vcore problem because you do not have the boxed heatsink. I'm using the boxed heatsink and have Cool 'n Quite activated but still not installed the drivers yet and no such temperature problems until now. I'm also still considering if I should use Cool 'n Quite or not. [B]Another thing regarding the CPU temperature:[/B] In Windows the Idle temp is around 40 °C, but when i'm in the BIOS it raises to 50 °C. Is that normal? In BIOS the CPU should be Idle too normally, or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkhyperx Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 i can understand setting my RAM values manually, but sheesh... the cpu voltage has to be changed too! my god, looks like asus released a hella buggy mobo. whats the BIG reason I have to set the cpu voltage to 1.5? I still dont understand after reading - sorry im a bit new at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixion Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 [quote name='shooter99']@ixion The Cool 'n Quiete Feature only works with the AMD Boxed heat sink, maybe this has been the reason for you temperature/vcore problem because you do not have the boxed heatsink. I'm using the boxed heatsink and have Cool 'n Quite activated but still not installed the drivers yet and no such temperature problems until now. I'm also still considering if I should use Cool 'n Quite or not. [B]Another thing regarding the CPU temperature:[/B] In Windows the Idle temp is around 40 °C, but when i'm in the BIOS it raises to 50 °C. Is that normal? In BIOS the CPU should be Idle too normally, or not?[/QUOTE] Actually, Cool'n'Quiet works with any HSF. All it does is lower the CPU voltage and frequency which lowers the temperature. And with QFAN enabled, when the temps go down, the voltage applied to the CPU fan will be dropped accordingly resulting in lower RPM's on the fan. Regarding your BIOS temp issue, do you have QFAN enabled? It sounds like what's happening is that when you're in the BIOS, the CPU fan is at a lower RPM. After you boot, the fan speeds up and lowers your temps. To verify if this is happening, in the BIOS, look at the CPU fan's RPM value (under the Power->Hardware Monitor menu) and then in Windows, look at ASUSProbe to see the CPU fan RPM. Same applies to your case fans. Are your case fans under QFAN control? Are they at the same RPM within the BIOS and Windows? This should give you a clue of whether it's related to the CPU/case fan's RPM... if not, then you have to figure out why the CPU is busy in the BIOS. Also, if you're looking for an after market HSF, I'm very happy with the HT-101 and highly recommend it, it cools really well and is virtually silent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixion Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 [quote name='lkhyperx']i can understand setting my RAM values manually, but sheesh... the cpu voltage has to be changed too! my god, looks like asus released a hella buggy mobo. whats the BIG reason I have to set the cpu voltage to 1.5? I still dont understand after reading - sorry im a bit new at this.[/QUOTE] The normal voltage for the A64 Socket 939 CPU is 1.5v. I found that if you let the BIOS decide, it will pick something between 1.55v and 1.6v and sometimes even higher, seems to be a bug. I found that I got the best stability with 2-2-2-5 performance only if I set the CPU voltage manually to 1.5v. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter99 Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 [quote name='ixion']Actually, Cool'n'Quiet works with any HSF. All it does is lower the CPU voltage and frequency which lowers the temperature. And with QFAN enabled, when the temps go down, the voltage applied to the CPU fan will be dropped accordingly resulting in lower RPM's on the fan.[/QUOTE] Quote form the manual (p. 4-20): "This feature [Cool N' Quiet] requires the AMD CPU heatsink and fan assembly with monitor chip. If you purchased a separate heatsink and fan package, use the ASUS Q-Fan Technology feature to automaticallly adjust the CPU fan speed according to your system loading" [quote name='ixion']Regarding your BIOS temp issue, do you have QFAN enabled? It sounds like what's happening is that when you're in the BIOS, the CPU fan is at a lower RPM. After you boot, the fan speeds up and lowers your temps. To verify if this is happening, in the BIOS, look at the CPU fan's RPM value (under the Power->Hardware Monitor menu) and then in Windows, look at ASUSProbe to see the CPU fan RPM. Same applies to your case fans. Are your case fans under QFAN control? Are they at the same RPM within the BIOS and Windows? This should give you a clue of whether it's related to the CPU/case fan's RPM... if not, then you have to figure out why the CPU is busy in the BIOS. Also, if you're looking for an after market HSF, I'm very happy with the HT-101 and highly recommend it, it cools really well and is virtually silent.[/QUOTE] I don't have Q-Fan enabled. The RPM of the CPU fan is quite the same in BIOS and Win. My Chassisfan is alwas at full speed cause it can't be controlled by BIOS. Seems that the CPU is more busy in the BIOS... :confused: What are your temperatures Idle/Load? Can you notice a higher Idle-temp in BIOS than in Windows, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roethlar Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 [quote name='shooter99'] I don't have Q-Fan enabled. The RPM of the CPU fan is quite the same in BIOS and Win. My Chassisfan is alwas at full speed cause it can't be controlled by BIOS. Seems that the CPU is more busy in the BIOS... :confused: What are your temperatures Idle/Load? Can you notice a higher Idle-temp in BIOS than in Windows, too?[/QUOTE] Could have something to do with the fact that Windows XP issues NOOPs when idle, which will cool the CPU down a lot. Basically, when the CPU isn't doing anything, Windows turns it "off" for a clock cycle or something like that. In the BIOS, that doesn't happen. The CPU is always on. But then again I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixion Posted July 19, 2004 Share Posted July 19, 2004 [quote name='shooter99']Quote form the manual (p. 4-20): "This feature [Cool N' Quiet] requires the AMD CPU heatsink and fan assembly with monitor chip. If you purchased a separate heatsink and fan package, use the ASUS Q-Fan Technology feature to automaticallly adjust the CPU fan speed according to your system loading"[/QUOTE] I would be surprised if the stock HSF has anything special other than an RPM monitor for the fan (which is the third wire/pin connecting to the mobo) which almost all HSF fans support. I'll look into it some more. But the end result of using QFAN with a 3rd party HSF is the same. [quote name='shooter99']I don't have Q-Fan enabled. The RPM of the CPU fan is quite the same in BIOS and Win. My Chassisfan is alwas at full speed cause it can't be controlled by BIOS. Seems that the CPU is more busy in the BIOS... :confused: What are your temperatures Idle/Load? Can you notice a higher Idle-temp in BIOS than in Windows, too?[/QUOTE] My temps are the same in the BIOS and Windows. About 34C idle and 48C load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkhyperx Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 have any of you guys tried the 1.5v cpu/2.8v DDR? ixion's setup is 1.5/2.7, but I was wondering if 2.8v would be better for the RAM. maybe if I up the DDR voltage, I have to up the cpu as well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempo36 Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 I had the RAM set to 2.8V for a while and have since dropped it back to 2.7V. There doesn't appear to be any difference and for the time being, both settings are stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixion Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 The lower setting will generate less heat. Try 2.7v and run MEMTEST overnight to see if you get any errors. If not, i'd stick with that. I read in another thread that the ASUS BIOS will actually set it to 2.75v when you select 2.7v. I have not confirmed this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkhyperx Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 hey ixion, why do you perfer the BFG 6800 GT OC over the 6800 ultra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixion Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 [quote name='lkhyperx']hey ixion, why do you perfer the BFG 6800 GT OC over the 6800 ultra?[/QUOTE] It's WAY better value. First, the 6800 GT is more compact and only needs a single slot (the Ultra's cooling takes up two). Second, it only needs a single molex power connector (the Ultra needs 2). Third, the 6800 GT won't run as hot and won't suck all that power. Fourth, the GT is $100 to $200 cheaper. And finally, there is no difference in the chip between the GT and Ultra. Both use 16 pipelines. The only diff is that the GT runs at 350MHz stock (although BFG has OCed it to 370MHz) and the Ultra runs at 400MHz. Well in reallity, the 6800 GT can EASILY be overclock to over 400MHz which gives it the same performance as an Ultra! I've overclocked to 420MHz no problem. I'm waiting for the Zalman ZM80D VGA heat pipe to come in. Once installed, I'll probably run the GT at 400-420MHz full time. Regarding 6800 GT versus ATI X800 Pro, I think 6800 is a better choice because it beats the X800 Pro in most benchmarks, it support 16 pipes versus 12 on the X800 Pro, and it supports Shader Model 3.0 which is supported in DirectX 9.0c. FarCry will support SM3.0 in Patch 1.2. And many game manufacturers have said they will support it in upcoming games. If you read the reviews, you'll see that 6800GT with SM3.0 enabled beats the crap out of X800Pro and comes near to X800 Ultra performance. Please, no flames, I like ATI very much! I'm Canadian eh. I've owned ATI and love their cards. But this time around, I went with nVidia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkhyperx Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 isnt the card already oc'd to 370 mhz (therefore running at higher stock temps)? and wouldn't overclocking it to say 400-420mhz core clock increase the tempature even further on the GT because it doesnt have the large heatsink? im curious because im thinking of canceling my ultra and purchasing the gt. ps - how do you feel about asus saying that they'll release a revised version of the A8V.. I just purchased it and they said they'll release a updated version of the mobo itself. that pissed me off :mad: heres the link to it: [url]http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2128[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter99 Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 [quote name='lkhyperx']ps - how do you feel about asus saying that they'll release a revised version of the A8V.. I just purchased it and they said they'll release a updated version of the mobo itself. that pissed me off :mad: heres the link to it: [url]http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2128[/url][/QUOTE] What the ********** hell is that supposed to mean. Why's ASUS doing that, what's wrong with the first version. Damn, I hate the thought that I've payed 120€ for a premature board :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixion Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 [quote name='lkhyperx']isnt the card already oc'd to 370 mhz (therefore running at higher stock temps)? and wouldn't overclocking it to say 400-420mhz core clock increase the tempature even further on the GT because it doesnt have the large heatsink? im curious because im thinking of canceling my ultra and purchasing the gt.[/QUOTE] Yes, it's OCed, and I assume BFG is using a higher speed fan to compensate. I understand your logic, which is why i said i was getting the Zalman ZM80D VGA cooler. It's only $36, so you still end up with an Ultra that is cheaper, is cooled better and uses only 1 slot and 1 molex. Good deal. [quote name='lkhyperx']ps - how do you feel about asus saying that they'll release a revised version of the A8V.. I just purchased it and they said they'll release a updated version of the mobo itself. that pissed me off :mad: heres the link to it: [url]http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2128[/url][/QUOTE] Ya, I also saw this. Pissed me off. I was also upset that Anandtech didn't include it in the review. They should have included the current version just to see how it compared. Makes us feel like we have garbage... "we can't include the current version of the A8V because it's crap and ASUS told us it's crap and it wouldn't have performed well against the other mobos...", not an actual quote, but sure sounds like what they meant to say. I shouldn't be so harsh, so far, I like the A8V. I think the new version will fix the AGP/PCI lock issue. Another thing is that the A8V price has dropped ~$30-40 in the past week. For me, it's not too late to return it and maybe wait for the new version. I have 2 PCs and a laptop so I can do without my rig for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter99 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Could anyone plz tell me where I can read my mobo's revision number?! Asusprobe just says "Rev 1.xx" and "MB-1234567890" for serial. :confused: The other thing I heared is that all A8V wiht 45MG0Jxxxx and higher Serialno don't have the AGP/PCI Lock problem, and that the option will be fixed in BIOS 1007. Hopefully that's the case. Ohterwise I will RMA my board when there is a Rev 2.0 and get that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted July 22, 2004 Corsair Employees Share Posted July 22, 2004 The revision # will normally be printed on the MB where the model # is with most MB's! For example ASUS P4C800-E is printed between the PCI slots and bellow and to one side is Rev 1.02 on mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shooter99 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 [quote name='RAM GUY']The revision # will normally be printed on the MB where the model # is with most MB's! For example ASUS P4C800-E is printed between the PCI slots and bellow and to one side is Rev 1.02 on mine![/QUOTE] Yeah, you're right, it's been printet between the PCI slots! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixion Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Just FYI, mine is v 1.02. Seems like most people have this version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkhyperx Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 yeah same. verison 1.2 for me as well. ixion - I decided to stay with the eVGA GeForce 6800 Ultra. I'll just use coolbits 2.0 and overclock it manually D: btw - it sucks having a premature board, they should take all their defective crap back and give us the updated version for free :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkhyperx Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 have anyone tried overclocking their 3200XL in their A8V deluxe board? I heard some can overclock to 430+mhz and maintain their 2-2-2-5-1 latency! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted July 22, 2004 Corsair Employees Share Posted July 22, 2004 I have heard about the same, as you report. However, I have tested these modules in another platform with the timings set to Cass 2.5-4-3-7 at 250 MHz with out a problem, so if you want to OC to that, I would try Cass 2-3-3-7 and see how high you can get and then tweak the timings to see where or what you can get! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lkhyperx Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 hmm RAMguy, what if I just want to speed up the RAM BUT maintain my 2-2-2-5-1 latency. Wouldn't that add to better performance? I know its easier to overclock on another platform, but since the A8V deluxe is pretty new, I wonder if anyone else have tried to up the DDR speed. I'd also like to mention that I'm not really familiar with overclocking FSB and ram mhz speed. But for this new computer, I'd sure like to push my 376 dollar ram to its best performance yet! I just need intructions how :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixion Posted July 23, 2004 Share Posted July 23, 2004 Well, i'm thinking of experimenting with overclocking this RAM/CPU/mobo over the weekend. I'll let you know how it works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted July 23, 2004 Corsair Employees Share Posted July 23, 2004 Well the Idea is to find the top end of the CPU/MB and then try and tweak the timings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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