ctm audi Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I put in an order for a Force GT 120Gb. I was curious if these drives are having the same issues as the Force 3 series. Also it seems unclear if all the F3s are effected, or just some. Im doing a new build from scratch. Will I need to secure erase it before installing windows, or is it fine out of the box? Going to be using a new Crosshair V Formula, which all the ports are SATA3 from the same controller. So Im really hoping it doesnt have any issues. Ive had plenty of other SSDs, so I know how to set them up right. Though I havent had a Sanforce-2200 series yet. Does it help the GC and life of the drive to over-provision these drives like it does for others? I dont mind giving up another 8% or so of space, I only ever install just the OS on them. I like to have them running as fast and stable as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wired Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 It's not the Force 3 SERIES, only the Force 3 120 GB. No other Force drives (including the GT series) have any issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm audi Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 It's not the Force 3 SERIES, only the Force 3 120 GB. No other Force drives (including the GT series) have any issues. Great :D: So will I need you SE the drive, and will it help to under-provision it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowbeard Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Out of the box, you will not need an SE on any of our SSDs. NAND provisioning is done by the firmware and controller, not by the end user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm audi Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 Out of the box, you will not need an SE on any of our SSDs. NAND provisioning is done by the firmware and controller, not by the end user. Yes, but if you format the drive a little smaller (say leave 8% un-formated) thats extra space for GC to work, and lengthens the life of the drive. At least thats how it is on other controllers. I wanted to know if it was the same with SF-2200. I only use about 20Gb, so if its the same I dont mind giving up the little bit of extra space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wired Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 I'd wager that's already been done, as 128 = base 2, and ICs come in base 2 configurations, so they've probably reserved 8 GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowbeard Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Yes, but if you format the drive a little smaller (say leave 8% un-formated) thats extra space for GC to work, and lengthens the life of the drive. At least thats how it is on other controllers. I wanted to know if it was the same with SF-2200. I only use about 20Gb, so if its the same I dont mind giving up the little bit of extra space. At this point, we have not documented the advantages or disadvantages of this. Feel free to try it if you like, it's your drive ::pirate:: Based on articles I have read and how SFs drive provisioning works, I see NO advantage to this at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm audi Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 I'd wager that's already been done, as 128 = base 2, and ICs come in base 2 configurations, so they've probably reserved 8 GB. Yeah, thats the average 7% that most are pre-set to. Ive usually added an additional 8% for a total of 15%. Also, do the drives ship with the newest firmware, or has there been a newer one released already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm audi Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 At this point, we have not documented the advantages or disadvantages of this. Feel free to try it if you like, it's your drive ::pirate:: Based on articles I have read and how SFs drive provisioning works, I see NO advantage to this at all. This is where I had found the info on it, http://thessdreview.com/ssd-guides/optimization-guides/ssd-performance-loss-and-its-solution/ Though I thought I read somewhere it doesnt help with Sandforce which is why I was asking. Guess Ill just plug and play :biggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wired Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 Also, do the drives ship with the newest firmware, or has there been a newer one released already?There's only the firmware it comes with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm audi Posted June 30, 2011 Author Share Posted June 30, 2011 Do the GTs have 25nm or 34nm NAND? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowbeard Posted June 30, 2011 Share Posted June 30, 2011 25nm. Read up on some of the newer Anandtech articles. In short, the SF overprovisioning will see ANY unused space the same; partitioned or unpartitioned. So, if you have a 60GB drive for example, with a 40GB partition and 20GB left over vs a 60GB drive with a 60GB partition, the overprovisioning on a SF drive will see and utilize any free space equally. So, creating a partition to do this is a waste of time unless you need to have a partition to remind yourself to not fill the drive past "X" amount of data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal25 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Just out of curiosity, as I'm looking to purchase a SATAIII SSD, what's the difference between the Force 3 and Force GT? The specs are so similar that I don't get the difference. Why one over the other? thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOne687 Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Just out of curiosity, as I'm looking to purchase a SATAIII SSD, what's the difference between the Force 3 and Force GT? The specs are so similar that I don't get the difference. Why one over the other? thanks. Force GT: ONFI Synchronous NAND Force 3: Asynchronous NAND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbw09 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 25nm. Is this the case? I have read numerous places that the GT uses 3Xnm nand and not 25nm. Could I get some clarification? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employee RAM GUY Posted July 5, 2011 Corsair Employee Share Posted July 5, 2011 They use 25nm... Force 3 is Asynchronous flash where Force GT is Synchronous flash meaning more complex, higher cost to produce, increased performance on uncompressed data ( ATTO shows compressed data where Crystal disk mark will show uncompressed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbw09 Posted July 5, 2011 Share Posted July 5, 2011 Thanks for the clarification :[pouts: I was hoping that the GT was indeed using the 32nm Toshiba toggle nand that is used in the top-end SF2200 series SSDs, as opposed to just 25nm synchronous nand, which is used in more "mainstream" SF2200 drives now. I know the advantages of using synchronous over asynchronous, but the 32nm toggle is the best atm. Does Corsair have any plans to release a drive using the 32nm nand? Due to my brand loyalty and disdain for certain SSD makers, I would prefer to buy Corsair :D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plauzi Posted July 6, 2011 Share Posted July 6, 2011 I had now 7 weeks long a SSD of a competitor in my computer and am serving plenty of the BSOD problems. Today, the new Corsair Force GT 120 GB has arrived. Can I now pull a backup (True Image) from the previous V3 SSD and play back that backup on the Corsair GT SSD? (Windows 7 Ultimate x64) Or is an "official" new installation of Win7 necessary? If so, why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employee RAM GUY Posted July 6, 2011 Corsair Employee Share Posted July 6, 2011 I would recommend to do a clean install, but it is not necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 I just ordered one as well! Very excited. Only thing that worries me is it having similar issues as the Force 3. I know it was stated that it didn't have those issues, but that was when serial #1123 and above was supposed to be working. But now it seems like a lot of people are having problems with them even after them being "fixed". Anyone have a GT yet who can share? I really hope they are great, I've been waiting a few months to get this since it was announced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plauzi Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 My new Corsair Force GT 120 GB at 6 Gb/s Intel SATA-III Port is running now. (with Asus P8Z68-V PRO Mainboard). Here are some values, AS SSD Bench: Force GT 120 GB with Original Microsoft Win7 x64 MSAHCI driver: http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/250/gtasssdmsahci.png Force GT 120 GB with Intel RST driver IASTOR 10.6.0.1002: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5880/gtasssdiastor.png The 4K-64Thrd Readvalue is a little bit weak. Why? What meaning do this value have? Now ATTO: Force GT 120 GB with Original Microsoft Win7 x64 MSAHCI drivers: http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/9982/gtattomsahci.png Force GT 120 GB with Intel RST Treiber IASTOR 10.6.0.1002: http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/9348/gtattoiastor.png When and at what point can the synchronous flash play to its advantages? I realize there's nothing better than with asynchron flash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbw09 Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 The speed/cost of nand increases as you go from asynchronous ---> synchronous ---> toggle (this shows through specifically for incompressible data). If you were compare your GT to a drive using 32nm toggle nand the 32nm drive scores in the 190MB/s range for both reads and writes for 4K-64Thrd, and the overall AS SSD score is in the 650ish or so range (at least it was for me before I returned the drive b/c it was not stable.....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taodragon00 Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 sadly i just noticed I missed out on the deal newegg was having on these drives. :[pouts: I notice they have a deal on the 60gb versions this week, that sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac7 Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Newegg ended up accepting my force 3, will be ordering a GT soon. I hope corsair wont' fail me this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oatmeal Posted July 7, 2011 Share Posted July 7, 2011 Newegg ended up accepting my force 3, will be ordering a GT soon. I hope corsair wont' fail me this time. Haha I have a 120gb force GT being shipped to me and I don't even want it anymore. I'm really worried it will end up having similar problems like the force 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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