DistortedVision Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 I've just bought a Corsair Survivor 16Gb and wondering which would be the best filing system to use. The default FAT32 doesn't meet my requirements because I regulary need to use it for files larger than 4Gb. I tested the speeds using HD-Bench as follows: FAT32 http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2154/fat32.jpg exFAT http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6601/exfat.jpg NTFS http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6031/ntfs.jpg HD-Bench was run immediately after formatting. (FAT32 formatted with SD Formatter and exFAT & NTFS just with Vista). I also tested how long it would take to write a 5.45Gb directory of 128 files: exFAT: 9m 14s NTFS: 20m 55s Do the HD-Bench figures look okay? I was surprised at how long it took to copy with NTFS. Is it okay to use exFAT with my Corsair Survivor? Is there a special format tool like SD Formatter that I should use or is formatting it with Windows okay? I installed this Microsoft hotfix to enable exFAT support on my Windows XP and Windows 2003 Server machines: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/955704 Many thanks for your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annagilbert Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Umm, perhaps my vision is distored here, but your exFAT results are off your HDD C: What is the relevance of comparing NTFS to exFAT, when exFAT is taken from your C: drive? AG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistortedVision Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 Hi Anna, Yes my mistake - I uploaded the wrong file for exFAT. I've measured everything again and this time put the Survivor into a USB port directly on the motherboard rather than using my Belkin USB hub. FAT32 http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2154/fat32.jpg exFAT http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6601/exfat.jpg NTFS http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6031/ntfs.jpg Again, HD-Bench was run immediately after formatting. (FAT32 formatted with SD Formatter and exFAT & NTFS just with Vista). I also measured how long it took to copy a 2.43Gb iso file to each file system: FAT32: 3m 56s exFAT: 3m 56s NTFS: 3m 59s Do these results look okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annagilbert Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Hi Anna, Yes my mistake - I uploaded the wrong file for exFAT. I've measured everything again and this time put the Survivor into a USB port directly on the motherboard rather than using my Belkin USB hub. << SNIPPING IMAGES >> Again, HD-Bench was run immediately after formatting. (FAT32 formatted with SD Formatter and exFAT & NTFS just with Vista). I also measured how long it took to copy a 2.43Gb iso file to each file system: FAT32: 3m 56s exFAT: 3m 56s NTFS: 3m 59s Do these results look okay? Hi ya, DistortedVision. I like your FAT32 Write speed. Though, not familiar with the Survivor series, this may be a poor result. It is a GREAT result for the Flash Voyager series - not GT models. Can I ask why you choose to use an antiquated version of HDBench? exFAT Write speed look nice too. Again - same following comment as above. Looks like NTFS gets punished in the Read, but Write is consistent with FAT32 and exFAT. Is your drive set to Optimize for quick removal or Optimize for performance, DistortedVision? At approx 10.3MBps, your real world 2.43GB transfer rates look nice to me (assuming they are Write). It will be interesting to see what RAM GUY has to offer to this discussion. One thing I am positive he will suggest is to test with HDBench 3.40 Beta 6 at 100MB. In addition, he may suggest that you format your Survivor with the SD-CARD SDFormatter tool. Based on my experience, this is a decent tool, but I have always seen better results by following its format with the Command Line syntax FORMAT X: /FS:FAT32 /A:32K /U (where X is your drive). The /U switch may be superfluous after using the SDFormatter, but I still use it. Anna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistortedVision Posted March 30, 2009 Author Share Posted March 30, 2009 Hi Anna, Thanks for your reply. The drive was set for quick removal in all cases. I changed it to optimise for performance and here are the results for exFAT: http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1722/exfatperf.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
annagilbert Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 You're welcome, DistortedVision. Before you spend too much time with more test results, because RAM GUY will likely demand it, I would recommend you use the latest SD-CARD and HDBench software to perform your tests. SD-CARD Organization SDFormatter 2.0.0.3 > http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter/sdfv2000.exe HDBENCH 3.40 Beta 6 > http://www.hdbench.net/ja/hdbench/download.html When formatting with SDFormatter, if you don't already know, pay careful attention at all screen instructions. One may ask you to remove the drive. Before you remove it, because you set your drive to Performance, you have to use the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon in your system tray to STOP it before removing it (at all times - otherwise you risk data loss). If you do not do this correctly, your test results will be compromised. After you reinsert the drive, run HDBench again and record your results with another screenshot. After recording your SDFormatter formatted 16GB HDBench results, from a C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe box, the command line FORMAT X: /FS:FAT32 /A:32K /U (where X is your drive). No need to remove the drive after its done. Once it is done formatting, run the HDBench test again, record the results another screenshot. Then report back with the results from both cases, SDFormatter and Command Line. Anna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted March 30, 2009 Corsair Employees Share Posted March 30, 2009 Your drive looks to be running as it should is there some problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistortedVision Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 RAM GUY: Thanks for your reply. The drive is working fine - I just wanted to check the speeds with you thats all. The write speed was a little slow initially but that's because I was using it in USB Hub. I was also trying to determine which file system I should use and exFAT meets all my needs. Is it fine to use exFAT with my Survivor? Is there any special way I should format it for exFAT eg from command line? annagilbert: As instructed: FAT32 http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2154/fat32.jpg exFAT http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9666/exfatj.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted March 31, 2009 Corsair Employees Share Posted March 31, 2009 Those numbers are above normal for a 8-16 Gig Flash Voyager/Survivor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistortedVision Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 Thanks Ram Guy. Is there any particular way I should format my Surivor for exFAT? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted March 31, 2009 Corsair Employees Share Posted March 31, 2009 I would just use the default syntax exFat should be optimized for Flash Drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistortedVision Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 Cheers! I've been pretty impressed with all aspects of the Survivor especially the build quality so I'm going to go ahead and order a Voyager Mini on Amazon now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted March 31, 2009 Corsair Employees Share Posted March 31, 2009 NP but please note the Mini Flash drives are not built for performance so they may be slightly slower then normal flash drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistortedVision Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 Sure Ram Guy. Performance isn't the deciding issue for me - more size, build quality and general robustness for that device. Its just for my keyring when I need to transfer files every now and again when I'm away from home. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted March 31, 2009 Corsair Employees Share Posted March 31, 2009 NP and please let me know if you have any more questions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickadead Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 Hi, Not sure if this is the right thread but my new survivor stick is extremely slow. Looking at the results from HDbench above compared to mine i am starting to believe mine is faulty. My results are below. I get those speeds when transferring files and its extremely annoying! I work as an administrator for a network and have to use it daily. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistortedVision Posted December 26, 2010 Author Share Posted December 26, 2010 Hi rickadead, Something is definitely not right here. You can compare your results to mine from March 2009 in post #3 when I first started this thread. What filesystem format are you using and how have you formatted it? Use SDFormatter for FAT32 or just Windows format for exFAT. I would personally recommend the latter? Are you testing it when its connected to one of the USB ports thats on the motherboard? Ramguy will come along and help you out but with the holidays I'm not sure when that will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickadead Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 Hi, sorry for not including. Using windows 7 formatted to ntfs just before doing the test. I tried it with the other two formats. Fat32 and exFat but i basically get the same results. I bought this stick as my collogues at work bought the 32GB ones and theirs run at about 40MB/s. Any ideas? Cheers Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistortedVision Posted December 26, 2010 Author Share Posted December 26, 2010 Is it connected to a USB port on the motherboard? Do not connect it to a USB hub. Don't format it as NTFS use exFAT. Have you tried formatting it / testing it on another machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickadead Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 Yer its on usb connector on the motherboard, don't have any hubs on my comp anyways. Tried it on my machine at work and my collogues machine and get the same results. always under a meg :( I use ntfs because i have to use it on xp machines at work on the network. But its the same speed if not slower on the other formats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 26, 2010 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 26, 2010 Please try the steps posted previously by: annagilbert and if that does not work then please use the link on the left to request an RMA and we will replace it. You're welcome, DistortedVision. Before you spend too much time with more test results, because RAM GUY will likely demand it, I would recommend you use the latest SD-CARD and HDBench software to perform your tests. SD-CARD Organization SDFormatter 2.0.0.3 > http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter/sdfv2000.exe HDBENCH 3.40 Beta 6 > http://www.hdbench.net/ja/hdbench/download.html When formatting with SDFormatter, if you don't already know, pay careful attention at all screen instructions. One may ask you to remove the drive. Before you remove it, because you set your drive to Performance, you have to use the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon in your system tray to STOP it before removing it (at all times - otherwise you risk data loss). If you do not do this correctly, your test results will be compromised. After you reinsert the drive, run HDBench again and record your results with another screenshot. After recording your SDFormatter formatted 16GB HDBench results, from a C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe box, the command line FORMAT X: /FS:FAT32 /A:32K /U (where X is your drive). No need to remove the drive after its done. Once it is done formatting, run the HDBench test again, record the results another screenshot. Then report back with the results from both cases, SDFormatter and Command Line. Anna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickadead Posted December 26, 2010 Share Posted December 26, 2010 still getting extremely slow speeds. I get the same from both methods. So i should just fill out the form for a new one? Any ideas on how long it takes process wise as iv got other sticks but this is the only iv got over 1GB at the moment Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 27, 2010 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 27, 2010 The average turn around time is 7-10 Days in the USA and 10-15 days for international RMA's. Where did you purchase the drive from by the way? If you just purchased it you can try the reseller they may be able to replace it sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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