New Forum Rules Discussion Thread

[Wired]

Actually, I did read all the rules of this Forum. I have no idea how many years ago that was. It was a different appearing Forum back then when memory was all that you sold. But I certainly do not remember this specific rule.

It's been in place for quite a while, but yes, it did come into action after 2002. However, everyone's redirected to the rules once a year or so as a refresher. Last instance was a month or two ago I believe. This means that even if you hadn't signed in for many years, you'd be redirected towards the rules upon signing in again since you hadn't read the rules since the last refresh.

 

 

This still seems a rather silly rule. I've never flamed your products and don't see why Corsair is so insecure in acknowledging that there are other brands of products.

The reasoning for said rule is covered in the rule itself as well as in this thread.

 

 

I'll abide by this rule, even though it goes against my Right to Free Speech under the Constitution of the United States of America

The rule doesn't go against your right to free speech.

 

Snipping this from TheAdminZone:

Amendment I

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

Freedom of speech from the first amendment can be summed up this way:

 

Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech

 

The staff of a forum are not Congress. The Constitution does not say that a privately owned website must guarantee that members can say whatever they want on the forums. It simply states that CONGRESS must not abridge the freedom of speech.

 

Members have rights to say whatever they want, whenever they want, wherever they want: on their own property, within the confines of their own space in accordance with the laws of the land. However, members do not have freedom of speech on privately owned websites, privately owned forums.

 

The owner of the website/forums has the right and responsibility to create, establish, maintain rules that best fit the community and edit, ban, disable the account of any member who does not follow the website TOS. TOS (Terms of Service) or Guidelines are king.

[Yellowbeard]

Actually, I did read all the rules of this Forum. I have no idea how many years ago that was. It was a different appearing Forum back then when memory was all that you sold. But I certainly do not remember this specific rule.

This still seems a rather silly rule. I've never flamed your products and don't see why Corsair is so insecure in acknowledging that there are other brands of products.

I'll abide by this rule, even though it goes against my Right to Free Speech under the Constitution of the United States of America, for which I actually fought, and almost died to uphold when I joined the United States Air Force. I joined when I was 17 and took my Oath to support the Constitution and had to wait until I was 17 1/2 before going on active duty and entering basic training. I started using computers when the PC became widespread as there was little else I could physically do after my service-connected disability discharge which ended my military career.

I've seen such behavior in foreign based Forums but never an American Forum.

This is a sad day for me and every other loyal American.

I am truly disappointed in you.

On the other hand this is very good for us both as I'll have far less problems with your products in the future with which I'll need any of your help.

 

As an American I appreciate your service and your sacrifice. But, please do not twist a support forum rule into a breach of anyone's constitutional rights.

 

The rules have been explained repeatedly. They are not perfect but they work for us. It may not be apparent to all to see but, in some cases, the filter prevents things that equate to yelling "FIRE!!!" in a crowded public theater. We have to have rules here. Blocking out a few key words is not hurtful and is not a constitutional issue.

 

We would appreciate you continuing to use our forum for your benefit if you can abide these few small rules. If not, we certainly understand and respect your freedom of choice which is also extended to you to not visit the forum should you decide you can't abide by the rules. We hope you'll stay.

[nabokovfan87]

Not allowing discussion of competitors and going as far as filtering out company names is just plain and simply childish. I am beginning to not want to recommend any more corsair stuff if behavior like this becomes the norm.

[Synthohol]

other manufacturer specific support forums do the same thing. we all must accept it and move on.

people come here for help on Corsair products only, thats what this forum is for so mentioning or identifying other brands are irrelevant to the sole purpose of this support forum. i really dont see the problem.

[kzinti1]

My last comment. There are quite a few products that Corsair items rely on to even make their products worth buying.

How can we know what memory coolers fit on Corsair memory if we can't even ask? How can we know what motherboards are compatible with various Corsair products if the brand name can't even be mentioned? How can we ask how other SSD products can be compatible in multi-SSD arrays with Corsair if the brand can't even be mentioned? I don't use Corsair fans on my Corsair H-series cpu coolers. I've found that there are quite a few that work a lot better, yet I can't mention their name so Corsair users can optimize their cooling. The list goes on and on.

While this rule is a good way to control spamming it is a greater disservice to the end user of Corsair products. That's us. The people who keep Corsair in business.

I'm outta here.

k1

[Synthohol]

there are MANY brand names that can be mentioned including all motherboards.

you seem to totally misunderstand the filter, if its not a DIRECT competitor with Corsair for the same products they offer there is no filtering.

if you still feel that a Corsair support forum filter makes you feel that the products are not as great as they are im sorry, there's nothing i can say to change your mind.

the filter is in place for several reasons and none of them are to deter you from buying Corsair products.

comparing products are for other non mfg specific forums, this is a Corsair support forum for Corsair products only, not a X vs Y. a ford dealer mechanic will not give you advice on a chevy, nor will mc donalds tell you what burger king shake tastes best with their hamburger.

what else can i say...

im sorry to see you go...

[kzinti1]

im sorry to see you go...

 

Go? Go where? I already said I would abide by the rule. I was only questioning it.

I still haven't heard a single sensible reason why anybody's PC Specs should possibly be censored!

I suggest that you re-read (or read) my 1st post on this topic, dated 06-27-2011 04:09 AM.

[Synthohol]

I'm outta here.

k1

that sounded like a goodbye, honest mistake.

the filter is a global tool, thats why specs are filtered as well, no way to separate the two.

[Wired]

Synthohol's correct. It's a global filter. That's also a good thing, as people have been known to post messages in their PC spec fields as well.

[kzinti1]

Synthohol's correct. It's a global filter. That's also a good thing, as people have been known to post messages in their PC spec fields as well.

 

I swear to God I've never seen anybody as paranoid as this company. If somebody tried to put something untoward in their PC Specs they should be permanently banned.

I can't even ask if the new H100 cooler will fit in the top of my CoolerMaster HAF-X!

[Synthohol]

the haf-x case specs claim space for a 360mm rad, the H100 rad dimensions are 122mm x 275mm x 27mm.

going by the specs it seems it would fit.

[kzinti1]

Yeah, but after you add 25 or 50mm for one or two pairs of fans that really doesn't leave any room, if it'll actually fit at all. The Corsair specs are for a 27mm thick radiator ONLY. It doesn't include the thickness of the fans unless the radiator is just 2mm thick.

[Wired]

I swear to God I've never seen anybody as paranoid as this company. If somebody tried to put something untoward in their PC Specs they should be permanently banned.

The filter is for the forum posts, not the profile. That's just a side effect. The reasons for the filter are in the rules and have been re-stated in this thread in the past.

[Yellowbeard]

Here's the deal on the filter. It's a bit dated but it's what we have and what we will continue to use. Changing it is exorbitantly labor intensive due to the software and quite frankly, the people that are qualified to change it have MANY more important priorities that will directly benefit Corsair customers.

[jesper251]

Pr0n and all our base belong to us should be common knowledge :) However Point 4 I thought I would just point out.

 

Decriptive is missing an S: Descriptive (unless this is another thing that should be common knowledge that I know not! :)

[Wired]

Pr0n and all our base belong to us should be common knowledge :) However Point 4 I thought I would just point out.

 

Decriptive is missing an S: Descriptive (unless this is another thing that should be common knowledge that I know not! :)

 

Fixed the typo for #4, thanks!

[seymourbutts]

Wow, so, minor rant bulding here.. I wrote my first post on here back in November querying about the right Corsair memory to use for my P5Q3 mobo - long story short, there was none available, it's no longer made available to my country. I found some alternative RAM that worked fine (and is still working fine now, running 24x7 in a server whitebox) and posted the info to HELP OTHERS whom may be searching for RAM for this fairly-common motherboard. At the discretion of a moderator, this information was removed by deleting my post. I would have thought that given Corsair can't actually make a sale out of this, they would think it's harmless, I was wrong. The rules DO say "at the discretion of the moderator" and although I disagree, that's their choice.

 

Now, I've just had someone PM me, who is in the same situation now that I was 5 months ago - desperately trying to find RAM for this board. They PM'd me to politely ask if I could let them know what RAM I ended up buying - the precise reason for my earlier post. I might also add, that this thread on my mobo has now had over 1500 views, so this is clearly something people would like to know. The moderators have now deleted this Private Message (PM) before I could reply to the person asking this perfectly reasonable question. So even if the potential is that ONE person uses a competitor, apparently that's far too many. I now re-read the rules more closely and find that it's totally acceptable on this forum for moderators to read and delete private messages.. what's the point of them being labelled 'private', you may well ask.

 

My question is this:

With these extreme rules, what kind of public image do you want to present of your company?

One that promotes people helping each other with information which in no way damages your company - or the image you're currently presenting, which to me is that of some kind of jealous Big Brother that'll gladly disadvantage and silence its customers if it means discouraging a competitor's sale.

 

TL;DR : Why so heavy handed??

[Synthohol]

thread views are irrelevant, there are google bots that artificially feed these numbers.

as far as pms being filtered give your email/IM info to the other guy and you can discuss brands freely.

there are dozens of reasons why the filter is in place, see post 63 and 75 in this thread for more details.

[TVD]

there are MANY brand names that can be mentioned including all motherboards.

you seem to totally misunderstand the filter, if its not a DIRECT competitor with Corsair for the same products they offer there is no filtering.

if you still feel that a Corsair support forum filter makes you feel that the products are not as great as they are im sorry, there's nothing i can say to change your mind.

the filter is in place for several reasons and none of them are to deter you from buying Corsair products.

comparing products are for other non mfg specific forums, this is a Corsair support forum for Corsair products only, not a X vs Y. a ford dealer mechanic will not give you advice on a chevy, nor will mc donalds tell you what burger king shake tastes best with their hamburger.

what else can i say...

im sorry to see you go...

 

thread views are irrelevant, there are google bots that artificially feed these numbers.

as far as pms being filtered give your email/IM info to the other guy and you can discuss brands freely.

there are dozens of reasons why the filter is in place, see post 63 and 75 in this thread for more details.

 

Hi, this is my first post and I registered to ask about a new system I'm going to build; but find myself wondering

why this Forum first asks me to inform all about my system specs and then next censor my information ... :thinking:

 

Why is my PC-case-name censored, but not my optical-drive-name ?

 

Everybody knows there's a Taiwan Company which makes PC-cases famed for their craftsmanship -

how do they compete with Corsair ?

 

Corsair makes RAM & POWER SUPPLY and recently I discovered Your great SSD-DRIVES (I am going to buy

2 x 120 GB'S for my new system) but the name of my 2'nd optical drive also makes great SSD-drives ...

 

How come this "global" setting has forgotten a competitor ? :p:

 

++++++++++++++++++

 

EDIT : Actually 2 competitors I realised .. My SSD-drive is made by a wellknown Chip-company

and though Corsair might not make Optical Drives yet (?), Corsair definitely makes SSD-drives !

 

"... if its not a DIRECT competitor with Corsair for the same products they offer there is no filtering ..."

 

Well, it seems to me both ******** & ******** are DIRECT COMPETITORS on SSD, right ?

 

++++++++++++++++++

 

 

Yet, quite frankly, I understand & respect the part about "not talking negatively or positively about competitors products";

I would apply the same rules to a forum, definitely ! :nono:

 

But the high respect Corsair has among us all - "Geeks" or "Goofy's" - which continues through Your impressive entrance

into POWER SUPPLY and SSD-DRIVES; gets somehow flawed (in my eyes) when censoring other company-/brand-names

from their forum .....

 

That censorship is unnecessary and unworthy Your standards - which in every other way seems to be in the superior class

of quality ! :beatchair

 

Sorry to keep up this discussion, but I at least thought this gave some new angles to the subject - I do not want to "troll"

anything and I hope You guys understand my sincerity in bringing it up again ?

 

Please understand, I was just amazed to find my system specs suddenly writing :

 

******** PC-V1100 when I thought we should share info with others ?

 

Kindest Greetings

TVD (Not a Brand-name yet ... ;):)

 

PS : If Corsair HAS started to make PC-cases, what will happen if they start making motherboards ??? No names then ?

[ssechaud]

I have noticed that when I type some other manufacturer brands that they get replaced with '#######' here on the forums. Not all brands get removed, such as Asus, but ######## does, this is what I have to type to get paste the filter 'aanntteecc'.

 

Is this some sort of joke on the forum admins part or is this serious? Because I find it pretty annoying when I try to post on a community forum and someone changes what I type without asking.

[Wired]

I have noticed that when I type some other manufacturer brands that they get replaced with '#######' here on the forums. Not all brands get removed, such as Asus, but ######## does, this is what I have to type to get paste the filter '********'.

 

Is this some sort of joke on the forum admins part or is this serious? Because I find it pretty annoying when I try to post on a community forum and someone changes what I type without asking.

This is clearly covered in the rules which you were redirected to upon creating an account. They're also at the top of this forum and at the top of the left sidebar.

[ssechaud]

This is clearly covered in the rules which you were redirected to upon creating an account. They're also at the top of this forum and at the top of the left sidebar.

 

Well that seems a bit over the top to me. Your forums allow me to put in my system specifications, this is how I noticed this. You should either remove that feature, update your filter to remove all brand names, or just drop such stupid rules. It's impossible to build a pc with just corsair branded parts, so obviously some brand names are needed to be written for the sake of informational purposes. It's not exactly an advertisement for the competitors is it? Anyways no biggie, just seems a bit childish.

[Keirnoth]

Well that seems a bit over the top to me. Your forums allow me to put in my system specifications, this is how I noticed this. You should either remove that feature, update your filter to remove all brand names, or just drop such stupid rules. It's impossible to build a pc with just corsair branded parts, so obviously some brand names are needed to be written for the sake of informational purposes. It's not exactly an advertisement for the competitors is it? Anyways no biggie, just seems a bit childish.

 

+1 for this. Simply replying to someone and saying "It's in the rules" doesn't address the fact as to why this is justfiable. As products work interoperably, sometimes brand names will HAVE to be mentioned to see if there are conflicts and/or compatibility issues with such products. It just so happens that some companies produce competing products, while some don't.

 

I strongly urge you to drop the censorship filter and lessen the rules on mentioning competing products. I was trying to put up a post for help and it left a really sour taste in my mouth when I saw censorship marks for them. This is the first product support forum I've been in where such a policy is in place, and while I can see the reasoning behind the filter, I think along the lines of the previous poster - it just sounds silly and childish.

 

Now if this is a decision from the suits above you, I somewhat understand - I still think it's a silly rule. Corsair makes quality products and they have excellent support. I can see why you would want a censor in place if you made shoddy products, but you don't. Having those rules in place implies that you don't have confidence in your products, but that makes absolutely no sense because you guys make great stuff. :dunno:

[Synthohol]

it does not have to be justified.

if you go to a Japanese restaurant and the posted rule is you must take off your shoes to eat there, do you follow the rule, storm in with your shoes demanding service or do you leave? only one of those options will allow you to eat there. its your choice.

 

when you signed up you were directed to the forum rules and agreed to abide by all of them.

there are good reasons why the filter is in place and NONE of them are intended to piss you off.

Google search loves this site and before the filter users of competitor's products would post here looking for help with them. it unnecessarily flooded the forum.

 

try mentioning Corsair on a 3 letter brand forum and you get the same filter. fair is fair.

 

the competitor names are irrelevant to this forums purpose. if you say "i have a 900 case, will the H100 fit?" we know what company makes the case, no reason to say the name. this really is not as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.

[Wired]

WHY THE FILTER IS IN PLACE:

1. Some posters ask the Corsair support staff to help them troubleshoot non-Corsair products. To clarify, I'm not saying they're asking for help where a Corsair product is involved somehow, I'm talking about where there is explicitly no reason why Corsair should be involved in the troubleshooting process (e.g. No Corsair products in their rig, or ******** memory / PSU / etc. and someone's motherboard).

 

 

2. Fanbois (Fanboys, whatever)

-They spout: "Corsair sucks, ******** rocks!" = Not nice :( I'm not talking about people that are unhappy with Corsair products and have actual concerns, I'm talking about the posters who join the forum solely to be rude.

 

-They spout: "Corsair rocks, ******** sucks!" = not nice to Corsair's competitors. Again, posters who have joined the forum solely to be rude.

 

 

It's a blanket rule for fanbois on either side. We don't appreciate people promoting other companies here nor do we appreciate people slamming them down either. It's not polite either way, and each company's products speak for themselves in the marketplace. The best place for this type of discussion to occur is on an unbiased forum. If enough people ask for one, I'll bring back HoH's sister site and people can go to town there to discuss whatever they want.

 

 

 

4. Spammers

-People have joined the forum over the years to slyly promote other manufacturers.

 

 

Now as for regards to how the filter affects troubleshooting: IT DOESN'T!

-Back in the day when it was just memory, saying your ******** memory worked and their Corsair memory didn't work helps no one. Saying your Corsair TWIN2X2048-6400C5 didn't work, but the ******** (1 x 2 GB) kit, 533 MHz @ CAS 7 works DOES help.

 

 

-To expand upon this, NO company name helps in troubleshooting. Saying you're trying to install an H100 in an ******** case is simply not informational. Why? No idea on the form factor, size, etc. For all I know you're trying to install it in a mini case! Now saying it's an ******** 900 case, THAT does help. Doesn't take much to figure out what they're talking about. This one reason why part numbers aren't filtered. Part numbers / specific model names are descriptive = Brand X isn't. The only time when they are filtered manually is when it may be considered spam. Note that if certain model names have been spammed by fan boys enough, then a handful have been put into the filter.

 

 

To clarify, if you make a post and get censored, you aren't doing anything wrong. If you purposely go around the filter to post a company name, THEN you're violating the rules.

 

 

Posters have asked why their system specs are being filtered?

-The filter is forum wide (even in PMs). Can't change that, and to be honest, I wouldn't even if it was possible. Posters occasionally spam the forum via their system specs, gallery comments, etc. If you can type in a field, someone's used it to post spam.

 

 

For those in the USA who think this goes against their Freedom of Speech... it doesn't.

 

Snipping this from TheAdminZone:

Amendment I

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

 

Freedom of speech from the first amendment can be summed up this way:

 

Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech

 

The staff of a forum are not Congress. The Constitution does not say that a privately owned website must guarantee that members can say whatever they want on the forums. It simply states that CONGRESS must not abridge the freedom of speech.

 

Members have rights to say whatever they want, whenever they want, wherever they want: on their own property, within the confines of their own space in accordance with the laws of the land. However, members do not have freedom of speech on privately owned websites, privately owned forums.

 

The owner of the website/forums has the right and responsibility to create, establish, maintain rules that best fit the community and edit, ban, disable the account of any member who does not follow the website TOS. TOS (Terms of Service) or Guidelines are king.