DerekT Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Do the assembly outside of the case. G stands for "Green" and is ROHS = Lead Free. You asked how I do the thermal installation. I just apply right from the tube as shown. I don't know the composition of the stuff you have. I always use Arctic Silver. Find out what you need to clean your stuff off. Just research these things though. Google is your friend. Sometimes I wonder at so many people who ask every question under the sun. They do not research at all and the Internet is a great research. I will likely just stop responding to questions that are easily answered by a few lines in google. Such as: Remove CPU thermal adhesive: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ned=ca&q=remove+CPU+thermal+adhesive&btnmeta%3Dsearch%3Dsearch=Search+the+Web Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 17, 2008 Author Share Posted October 17, 2008 The reason is because hands on experience is so much more valuable than what comes from the Inet. Hell. The Inet is where all the viruses come from. It's just like you can get a Chilton Manual from the supply house or get the trusted experienced knowledge of an old hand. And noobs become old hands(eventually) and help the next wave of noobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 The Internet is also the most valuable resource one can find in the entire world. To contemptuously disregard the positive aspects of this information because of aspects that are not positive leaves you wanting information. I personally find that those who do not search easily found information often do so from a lack of desire to do the work, and rather have someone spoon feed the information. Usually though, this is from the young, not the older so I think that you probably are technology wary, and I entreat you to make use of Google as it not only is your friend, it is an added conduit to self sufficiency. I agree about the knowledge from a trusted hand. However, if you inundate the trusted hand with simple questions, sooner or later you will lose that hand (due to exasperation) for the more necessary questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 ...and either you got the pictures mixed up or they have changed the E5200 since that one because I cleaned my E5200 with ETOH and it's slick as a babies butt (no line down the middle of any kind). And you still never said anything about what I would face when trying to change the voltage for the CPU and RAM. Those were the absolute impediment to the set-up of the Asus even though the bios was so screwed that it wouldn't save PNP and nothing more. Is it just a straight number change for both items on the Biostar TG31-A7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 The picture shows how, after a cleaned IHS, you apply the thermal paste. I put a better one up for you. Enter your BIOS and set to these values: T-Series Overclocking Navigator = Manual Intel SpeedStep = Disabled Ratio CMOS = 10.5 CPU Frequency = 305 PCI-e Clock = 100 FSB (Bsel) = 1066 DRAM Frequency = 610 CPU Voltage = +10% FSB Voltage = +.1v Chipset Voltage = +.1v Memory Voltage = +.3v Configure DRAM by SPD = Disabled 4 4 4 12 Integrated Memory Test = Enabled Reboot and allow the integrated Memtest86+ V2.01 run for two full passes. Then enter the BIOS and set the DRAM to 762 and run for two full passes. That should do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 I was doing as you suggested and Googled my question. This thread came up on Google under Derek II. What a trip. Google is amazing. I really do appreciate your help and patience. I know you busy folks have plenty to do but for me my computer and UPS are my only contacts with the world. You did a BEAUTIFUL job of preparing me and I appreciate it a bunch! Take care and I will let you know how it turned out, I hope, I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 18, 2008 Author Share Posted October 18, 2008 While I'm waiting on my new parts that will be here in days, I turned the Biostar OC app loose on this generic RAM which would only take the FSB to 667 where the Corsair ran 800+ no trouble. In 1 mhz jumps and a little test at each hop it took it up to 227 before the RAM bailed. Amazed the heck out of me. Gave it .05V more and set it to 215 in the bios. With my AV scanner running it only went to 49C. If it goes...RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 I have not used the app. I advise against the app personally. Often there can be issues arising with such software and the hardware and upon reboot, you have problems. My advice? Use the BIOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 19, 2008 Author Share Posted October 19, 2008 Once again you are right. It broke the OS in various low-level ways that you don''t first see at boot. I think it started with Java and Flash and the anti-cheating app in FPS but I reset the RAM in the BIOS and ran a recent back-up. Fixed it. Curious how hardware can break software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Once again you are right. It broke the OS in various low-level ways that you don''t first see at boot. I think it started with Java and Flash and the anti-cheating app in FPS but I reset the RAM in the BIOS and ran a recent back-up. Fixed it. Curious how hardware can break software. Software is called by the hardware. Operations are done on the software at the bit level and any changed software operations are written back to the original bits. The BIOS has a built in testing of the stability of the system at the bit level upon boot. If you make serious changes to the settings that the BIOS controls and do so in Windows you bypass those built in safety tests. This can end up with corrupted data on the hard drive. The real problem can be that the issue is minimal and systemic so you do not find enough corruption to damage the system sustainability for quite some time and by then, you do not know what brought the issues about. This is why I always advise BIOS changes. Do not try and go for heavy overclocks. This is a great budget system, overclock it as a great budget system and do not go heavy on it as it was not created for high over volts or clocks. Be happy with ~3.2Ghz which is still very quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 Where in the Holy Heck did you get such a fantastic level of education about computers. You have got to have a doctorate. If not you should! I would give my right arm for such a beautiful in depth understanding! WOW !! And you are only being accurate. It's a sin to hide ones light under a bushel so let yours shine my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 LOL Thanks for the chuckle. When one attains any real depth of knowledge it only serves to show them how little of their field they truly know. :D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 20, 2008 Author Share Posted October 20, 2008 I found that about medicine. The more you learn, the more you realize how little you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 The one thing I forgot is which drivers do I load before I actually re-boot to change the mobo and vid card and etc? One tech said unlike the old days you load software and then switch hardware but he wasn't referring to a big swap. I'm used to doing hardware then software. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I advise a complete fresh install of the OS. No repair when you change motherobards. It's not worth the possible short and long term issues that can result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 GROAN!! Thanx as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 Done and just in time. UPS comes today. Keep your fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Take your time. Set it up without any overclock at all. Run it stock first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 We done good! She's purring like a kitten and isn't even as warm as a kitten. I can't even get it to hit 100F with the settings you gave me. I would like to get hold of the Jackass at Intel who designed that CPU fan attachment. I thought I hated the old way... Once those wings start spreading before they go through the hole you have to get hemostats and squeeze them while pushing that stupid pin down and then half the time it won't catch when pushed down so back you go. I was soaked to the waist before I was done with that. That Arctic Cooler is truly amazing and who needs liquid cooling when you have that. Thanks to you and kudos to you as always. Hank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 We done good! She's purring like a kitten and isn't even as warm as a kitten. I can't even get it to hit 100F with the settings you gave me. I would like to get hold of the Jackass at Intel who designed that CPU fan attachment. I thought I hated the old way... Once those wings start spreading before they go through the hole you have to get hemostats and squeeze them while pushing that stupid pin down and then half the time it won't catch when pushed down so back you go. I was soaked to the waist before I was done with that. That Arctic Cooler is truly amazing and who needs liquid cooling when you have that. Thanks to you and kudos to you as always. Hank. Glad to hear that it all worked out fine. Enjoy your system. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 24, 2008 Author Share Posted October 24, 2008 Everest managed to get it up to 132F with the video card running all settings at wide open except vertical sync was off (as to vertical sync everyone used to say to force it to off in everything). All I could run was system stability. I thought I got Everest to run an overall benchmark but I can't figure how I did that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 Check out the thread named RivaTuner Nightmare in Virus and Spyware section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Check out the thread named RivaTuner Nightmare in Virus and Spyware section. I don't go into the other sections. I also do not respond to questions other than the overclock and DRAM compatibility issues. I'm far too busy to mentor. Please give me a break. Look at the length of this post. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AusDog Posted October 25, 2008 Author Share Posted October 25, 2008 I have truly enjoyed "talking" to you and have learned more from you computer-wise than anybody I have met online or elsewhere. I know you have a heavy load and the time you took for me from your busy schedule was greatly appreciated. Helping me and others has hopefully garnered some serious good karma for you. After you read this you can go ahead and remove this thread...help my guilty conscience. I have all your good advice printed and saved. Thanks again Derek. Your student Hank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 It's all good. Don't hesitate to post here regarding overclocking or posting in the Compatibility regarding DRAM compatibility. All the other sections are good as well and there are good people there willing to help you as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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