DaGooN Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 hi all. im new here and wanted to ask a few Q.. i am Upgrading my PC from AMD 64 3200 Venice AN8 Fatality mobo = never useu Abit again :( 2GB Cosair XMS pro Dual = memory has died :( Antec 550watt psu and im stuck on what is the better Memory to choose from for my new build. Build is.. Motherboard Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe, nForce 570 SLI, Socket-AM2, DDR2,2xGbLAN,ATX, PCI-Ex16 CPU AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6400+ 3.20GHz (Socket AM2) - Retail Heatsink Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU Cooler PSU Antec True Power 550Watt Memory i can choose From is Corsair 4GB DDR2 XMS2 PC2-6400C5 TwinX (2x2GB) or Corsair TWIN2X 6400C5DHX DDR2, 4096MB Kit w/two CL5 2GB Dimm's, E.P.P and DHX im not sure what will be the better memory & best run on my mobo:question: & will i need some patch or Downsize the 800 to 667? or will 2x2GB = 4GB be ok at default.. since i aint looking to OC or anything.. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 You should be fine with running 2 X 2048 modules of 6400C5 at 800Mhz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreeme Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 ya those will run at 800mhz. Its 4 sticks that lower the speed, your getting 2. Are you sure you want a older mobo now when the AMD 770 chipset is out, is TRUE am2+ supports phenoms fully has pci-e 2.0 and run 1066 ram? I can tell you first hand my amd 770 is better then my Nvidia 550 chipset bigtime. The temps are 10-12c higher on the nvidia mobo, the fsb wont go as high, the ram speed is lower and it doesnt support pci-e2.0 or the Phenom power features. Also my new board has the lan and the sata on the pci-e bus (not the pci bus). Which cant hurt. The biostar TA770 is only $80 but its single slot. There are crossfire boards with new chipset though by other mobo makers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGooN Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 thing is all i want it for is playing the odd game, a bit of editing,watching films MKV 1080p without it killing the 100% CPU, and normal everyday use.. nothing extreme or OC gamming and what not.. trying to build a Fanless, Quite, Fast , Smooth PC on the budget :winking: got about £350 to use to upgrade and found that bundle.. not up to date with all the new things. but if you can recommend ... Mobo - Cpu - around 2.5 - 3Ghz Hs - Memory - Around 4GB id be very happy.. maybe this? is better.. AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6400+ Black Edition Retail Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DQ6 2GB OCZ PC-8500 Dual Channel DDR2 Kit Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme £400 thanks.. more Recommendations Welcome:): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreeme Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 So, you dont need multi pcie slots then for crossfire or sli. OK then get either the Asus 770 chipset mobo or the Biostar TA770. Both are under $90 (US currency) Since you wont overclock dont get the blackedition. And DONT get a 125 windsor for cool quiet pc. mobos Id consider http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131234 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138102 I prefer the biostar board myself, just make sure you update to the latest bios, the reviews complaining about bios issues DIDNT update-lol. THe cpu is newer then the bios in these cases, meaing the cpu was released after the board was shipped and the bios needs updated. The black edition and phenom cpus need the 25 bios. The stock bios will boot and install windows etc, but wont be 100% right. But owining this board, I can tell its been GREAT for me. Rock solid, not one bsod, oclocks like mad you name it. I have this ram just the 2gb kit in that board, its 100% stable and auto settings (SPD) are right. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145176 CPU, if running stock speeds this is the fastest coolest running amd right now 65 watts and 2.7ghz x2. There are 45watt cpu too but little slower. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103210 IF you dont mind just upping the multipyer (oclocks cpu NOTHING else) I have this cpu running at 3.0ghz x2 and about 70~ watts. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103194 Its Black Edition (BE) but based on the Brisbane. Black Edition means unlocked multiplyer so you can oclock just the cpu and not the mobo, ram or any other devices. It does NOT come with a HSF, keep that in mind. P.S. Make sure you get a ATX 2.0 (24pin mobo power) with the 8 pin cpu power plug. Not the 4 pin P4 plug (actually that name is wrong but commenly called p4 plug). Newer mobos are starting to use the 8 pin which is commen in servers this is due to the 3 phase power they are moving too, and the higher demands of quad core cpus etc. If you do, and get one of those chipsets, youll be ready for quad core phenom later. In a year or so, you might be glad you spent a few dollars more now, then another $200 then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGooN Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 only thing is i cant get a new psu for a few month till i save some more money lol (hard times) so im stuck with that Antec True Power 550Watt untill then, so will that be a problem? otherwise very nice.. And thanks infact i could get this build if its better & faster AMD Phenom Quad Core 9600+ Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DQ6 Corsair TWIN2X 6400C5DHX DDR2, 4096MB Kit got to have that memory :) its on special offer £76.00 what you say to that mate.. will that do me for a while.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreeme Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 looks good. Id say that phenom will last a while ya. Is that the BE Phenom. Its only a few dollars more then the regular 9600. That would leave oclocking a option for later, but you dont get a HSF in BE version. But really not a big deal as the Phenom is pretty fast already. http://www.corsair.com/configurator/product_results.aspx?id=408766 The C4 version is listed compat, so the C5 should be ok too since I think they are same just C4 has lower timings and the C5 runs on lower volts. I know what you mean about the DHX ram, at the price its GREAT and it runs really cool too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGooN Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 ok ive come to kinda a fix now.. just not sure what to get? lol i could get more gear but lower speed and sruff idk maybe or get the Quad and suffer my 550watt 24,8pin 1st Option http://www.overclockers.co.uk/viewcart.php Asus M3A AMD 770 (Socket AM2) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5000+ Black Edition 2.60GHz (Socket AM2) - Retail Zalman CNPS9500-AM2 CPU Cooler (Socket 754/939/940/AM2) Corsair TWIN2X 6400C5DHX DDR2, 4096MB Kit w/two CL5 2GB Dimm's, E.P.P and DHX PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 EPS12V 610W Power Supply £322.53 or £310.67 with Corsair 4GB DDR2 XMS2 PC2-6400C5 TwinX (2x2GB) 2nd Option http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/cart.aspx Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DS5, AMD 790FX, DDR2 ,Socket-AM2+,ATX, GbLAN,2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16 AMD Phenom 9600 2.3 GHz Boxed, 4MB Cache, Socket AM2+ Corsair TWIN2X 6400C5DHX DDR2, 4096MB Kit w/two CL5 2GB Dimm's, E.P.P and DHX Zalman CNPS9500-AM2 CPU Cooler (Socket 754/939/940/AM2) £347.01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreeme Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 well to answer correctly we need a few more details. How long will it be till you upgrade cpu. Do you upgrade cpu say once a year or two when prices are good? Or is this cpu going to be used for several years till the whole thing will need updated? If long term go phenom. If short term and want to wait for phenom to mature and get cheaper get the 5000+ x2. Personally I had similar choice and went 5000+ since the phenoms will get faster and drop in price more. There will be a new core out at end of this year. So the 5000+ will play all your games till then no problem. If your a real heavy multitasker then the Phenom will be better. Even though its lower mhz per core, it has 2 more and the Phenom has a little better mhz/performance ratio then the a64. Do you need a new psu? If so and your on a budget option 1 would be better. Check those boards, they may not need 8 pin EPS12v type. My Biostar TA770 is 8pin. If your in need of a psu then you should get a eps12v psu since this will be the new type boards come with. Corsair TWIN2X 6400C5DHX DDR2, 4096MB Kit w/two CL5 2GB Dimm's, E.P.P and DHX Is the better ram, for the 12 more you get EPP and DHX heatsinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGooN Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 id say sep/oct 2009 ish.. and you know i was thinking that myself about Quad Cores. there still prity new, so i think your right about the option 1. it suites my Pockets better.. ive only had my other AN8, AMD 3200 Venice, build around 2 years.. ish. and the mobo is dead & my 2GB corsair XMS pc3200 pro died with it :( only there sunday..:wtfman: so it looks like ill be getting this Build for Friday :) do you think my Antec 550watt will be fine with that Asus mobo or should i just get this new PSU.. PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610 EPS12V 610W Power Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreeme Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Look at my specs hehe. I have the 500watt and its powering a similar rig. I made my own 8pin adaptor but you can buy them for like $5. I dont know which video you have though. Since your going option 1 it will be single card. Unless using a 3870x2 it shouldnt be a issue on the watts. The 5000+ is only 65watts so the cpu wont need much either. Some of the 8pin boards will work with 4. Id ask asus about this if your worried about power requirements. In fact that board may only be 4 pin. Do the specs say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGooN Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1934&l1=3&l2=149&l3=592&l4=0 24-pin ATX Power connector 4-pin ATX 12V Power connector is that what you mean? witch my 550watt is so tht will work fine.. my gfx card is nvidia 8600GT 256MB.. Oh, is that memory ok? 4 x DIMM, max. 8GB, DDR2 1066 / 800 / 667 / 533, ECC and non-ECC, un-buffered memory Dual channel memory architecture * DDR2 1066 is supported by AM2+ CPU only * Refer to http://www.asus.com or user manual for Memory QVL (Qualify Vendor List) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreeme Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Ya, is your 550watt ATX 2.0 (24pin). If it is you will be fine, the 8600GT doesnt use much power either. So you should have a fairly quiet and cool pc, plus you saved some cash. When phenoms are better and cheaper in a year or two you will be able to run them too....nice to have that option I think. QVL, is Quality Validation List or Qualified Vendor List. That board is telling you it has 4 slots, that support 2gb each. For 8gb total. That ram is 2gb each stick and is unbuffered non-ECC. You could contact ramguy to be sure the ram is ok if your worried about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGooN Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 yea my psu is 24pin & 4pin. yea might just ask him for a quick Q&A :) thanks for all your help mate.. im sure ill be back for more if something goes wrong lol.. but ive got a good idea on what ill build now. Thanks again, very much! :hihi: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreeme Posted February 5, 2008 Share Posted February 5, 2008 Np, lets us know what you decide on and how the build goes. Good luck.:): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGooN Posted February 5, 2008 Author Share Posted February 5, 2008 yea so im going with this build now.. but im stuck on 2 things. maybe you can help me one more time here :) Build Sofar MoBo Asus M3A AMD 770 (Socket AM2) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard CPU AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 5000+ Black Edition 2.60GHz (Socket AM2) - Retail Ram Corsair TWIN2X 6400C5DHX DDR2, 4096MB Kit w/two CL5 2GB Dimm's, E.P.P and DHX Question 1 im not sure what Heatsink to get though, but i know what i want. basicaly Fanless or one that is realy cooling & Quite, ive picked 3 to choose from. HS 1 Zalman CNPS9500 AM2 Ultra Quiet CPU Cooler HS 2 Thermaltake V1 CPU Cooler, 16dBA, Socket 775/AM2/754/939 HS 3 Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme CPU Cooler Question 2 as for my PSU i read some of the specs and it looks like i might need a new one. i dont think its a ATX 2.0 Specs http://www.nollapiste.com/index.php?s=artikkelit/antectrue550/index so would this PSU work well with that mobo. http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-002-PP if not then maybe something like it for around the same price & power? there is one thing i didnt mention, my comp is normal on 24/7 with the odd reboot ever 3/4days. hope that dont make a big differents.. its nomaly idel Thanks btw my old pc specs was.. AMD 64 3200 Venice AN8 Fatality mobo ------------- Died 2GB Cosair XMS pro Dual ------- Died 250GB Sata HD + 560GB Ext Nvidia 8600GT 256MB Antec 550watt psu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted February 6, 2008 Corsair Employees Share Posted February 6, 2008 Have you considered one of our PSU"s hands down I think they are the best PSU for the money on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaGooN Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 ok so you sold me on the PSU ramguy :) & ive had a little increase on money so i think now after all that im going to get this settup.. since i dont really want to upgrade for a few years. CPU AMD Phenom 9500 2.2GHz Boxed, 4MB Cache, Socket AM2+ MOBO Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DS5, AMD 790FX, DDR2 ,Socket-AM2+,ATX, GbLAN,2xPCI-Ex(2.0)x16 HS for CPU Zalman CNPS9500 AM2 Ultra Quiet CPU Cooler, Socket 754/939/940/AM2 PSU Corsair TX 650W ATX2.2 SLi Compliant PSU and will the memory i want so much work on that mobo @ 800? Memory Corsair TWIN2X 6400C5DHX DDR2, 4096MB Kit w/two CL5 2GB Dimm's, E.P.P and DHX Thanks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted February 6, 2008 Corsair Employees Share Posted February 6, 2008 Except these modules so not support EPP the tested settings would need to be manually set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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