Levzi Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 Ive posted here before, things havent really cleared up for me, so im gonna see if you guys can help I have 4 gig of the above RAM 2x2gig sticks in my mobo, and im gettin Random crashes, sometimes it will boot, then work for a bit, then hang, then it wont post, then it will post but hang on loading vista, then hang again, and again before it boots and posts fine and loads up vista and will work until I reboot. Now this may or may not be RAM related, but ive set the voltage for the ram to 1.9V , is this enough for the 2x2gig sticks ? I read some places using 2.1V but maybe thats cos the RAM is a higher speed. I have taken out the corsair turbo flash stick, as it wasnt really helping and ive read a lot about how readyboost causes a lot of problems. Ive got everything on the PC at its latest, BIOS, drivers the lot, so im really stumped. Nothing triggers the crash, but when it happens I cannot continue until ive rebooted about 7 times. Then its ok. I dont get it. Any help would be wicked. Also on the LED at the back, it hangs after the CPU Init, and before it goes off, it says something DRAM which im not sure what DRAM tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 11, 2007 Author Share Posted October 11, 2007 Im gonna bump this, but I think this is or was related to either readyboost or my Razer Deathadder mouse. Its no where near as bad as it was. Vista does have a bad habit of not restarting when told to, im thinking this is nothing to do with the RAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted October 11, 2007 Corsair Employees Share Posted October 11, 2007 I am sorry that your post was over looked. Please make sure that you have the latest Bios version and then load setup/optimized defaults and set the Dim Voltage to 1.9 volts (+.1 Volts W/Giga-Byte) and then set the timings manually to the tested settings for the specific module you have (Cas 5-5-5-18), and then test the module/'s one at a time with http://www.memtest.org! If you still get errors, please follow the link in my signature “I think I have a bad part!” and we will be happy to replace them or it! However, if you get errors with both modules that would suggest some other problem and I would test them in another system or MB to be sure. In addition, with some MB's (Mostly ASUS) you have to disable legacy USB in the bios when running any memory test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 12, 2007 Author Share Posted October 12, 2007 Its really wierd, as one minute the PC works fine for hours on end then something sets it off, it hangs and takes about 10-15 reboots for it to stablise. Once its stable again, its fine for hours / days / weeks. Im thinking this is deffo not a memory problem now, ive tested the sticks, both check out fine, im thinking this is USB related. Ive noticed on the hang, all USB connections carry on as if the PC is still going. So on reboot , eg, my turboflash stick carried on flashing like it was doing something, but how ? The PC has powered down. I cleared up all the event problems in the event viewer, so im guessing this is mobo related as the only blue screen I ever see is THIS BIOS IS NOT ACPI COMPLIANT, and I get that once during the 15 reboots. All seems well fishy to me. Stable one minute, cannot get it to boot the next then hangs on loading windows then works great. CMOS Battery you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted October 12, 2007 Corsair Employees Share Posted October 12, 2007 I would get the MB replaced and or try and replace the CMOS chip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 12, 2007 Author Share Posted October 12, 2007 Yeah it has to be the motherboard, im gettin ACPI errors in the event viewer now, havent had them for a while. Ive re-flashed the BIOS see if that helps, if it keeps hanging, im going to send it back for a replacement, the PC is under warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted October 13, 2007 Corsair Employees Share Posted October 13, 2007 I would suggest contacting the MB maker, and was this a fresh install of the O.S. on this MB or did you move the hard drive over from another system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 13, 2007 Author Share Posted October 13, 2007 Its an ASUS Striker Extreme motherboard, and the vista installation is only a few months old. Ive had this persistant problem for a while. But then it goes and all's ok for a while then it comes back. Re-flashed the BIOS last night only had 1 hang since. There is definately an issue between the BIOS and USB devices, ive had to remove the turbo flash stick and the external harddisk, as if it crashes and they are connected, it will keep on hanging, without them it will boot, probably hang but will get further loading vista before it does. ASUS are useless to say the least, they are no help at all. Should take a leaf outta Corsairs book, you guys are more helpful than any other manufacturer going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 13, 2007 Share Posted October 13, 2007 Do you have messenger and a notebook/secondary machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 I have msn messenger yes, but no secondary machine. Hasnt Crashed yet today, all since the BIOS flash, new BIOS Chip you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 14, 2007 Author Share Posted October 14, 2007 I have msn messenger yes, but no secondary machine. Hasnt Crashed yet today, all since the BIOS flash, new BIOS Chip you think ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 Just a quick note to let you know the response ASUS sent me (This may help someone else in the future, who knows) They recommended I reset my CMOS (Striker Extreme has a reset CMOS button, by altering the jumpers) and removing the CMOS battery. The Company I bought the PC off recommend reinstalling vista. 2 days, not 1 crash, only thing different is ive removed the USB external hard disk. Did have a wierd 5 minutes with the soundcard, sound crashed and went dead, I restored defaults with the Creative drivers and it came back fine. External mixer (S/C is Creative Elite Pro) was flashing , turned it off n on again all good. NOW Im drawn to a power issue. Im starting to think that 1000W PSU isnt enough, but surely all USB devices including my turboflash stick are powered by the external USB hub which has its own power supply, im thinking that the BIOS is allocating power to all the devices when it doesnt need to. I have disabled Plug and Play in the BIOS menu, maybe I should let VISTA handle the power and not the BIOS. Ironically, 2 days without a single issue, after a BIOS re-flash. Think im getting somewhere now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 15, 2007 Author Share Posted October 15, 2007 Just a quick note to let you know the response ASUS sent me (This may help someone else in the future, who knows) They recommended I reset my CMOS (Striker Extreme has a reset CMOS button, by altering the jumpers) and removing the CMOS battery. The Company I bought the PC off recommend reinstalling vista. 2 days, not 1 crash, only thing different is ive removed the USB external hard disk. Did have a wierd 5 minutes with the soundcard, sound crashed and went dead, I restored defaults with the Creative drivers and it came back fine. External mixer (S/C is Creative Elite Pro) was flashing , turned it off n on again all good. NOW Im drawn to a power issue. Im starting to think that 1000W PSU isnt enough, but surely all USB devices including my turboflash stick are powered by the external USB hub which has its own power supply, im thinking that the BIOS is allocating power to all the devices when it doesnt need to. I have disabled Plug and Play in the BIOS menu, maybe I should let VISTA handle the power and not the BIOS. Ironically, 2 days without a single issue, after a BIOS re-flash. Think im getting somewhere now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted October 15, 2007 Corsair Employees Share Posted October 15, 2007 NP Please let us know how you make out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 nps I will do. Ive done what ASUS recommended, and its not helped at all. Still gettin the hangs and crashes. Next thing is a reinstall of Vista, but im almost convinced now this is a hardware fault. Its not USB power related, ive noticed that, when it hangs in post, the LCD back display shows IDET DRAM when it hangs so whatever that means could be the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted October 16, 2007 Corsair Employees Share Posted October 16, 2007 By the way did you install the patch for 3 or more gig of memory for Windows Vista? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 16, 2007 Author Share Posted October 16, 2007 Do you mean this one ? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929777 If so, then yes ive installed that one :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 ok ive been back and forth through these forums, and seems to me a lot of not just Striker Extreme users, but ASUS users have issues with the RAM well thats what it seems, and that certain adjustments can be made and it might (fingers crossed) work ok. So, for my TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX and anything in the BIOS, what would you recommend I set it at ? (im sure you've told me this before, but ive hunted for it but cant find it sorry :[pouts: ) Baring in mind its a Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 Processor , running 2 x 8800GTS 640mb in SLI and a Creative XiFi Elite Pro with External mixer) Im posting the whole setup cos what you say is what im going to use. Once its done i'll run memtest again just to make sure, and if that comes back ok, and the system is still unstable, im sending it back, so the ppl who built it can fix it, or they'll get it put somewhere customs men only dare to probe. :D: Thanks in advance Ram Guy , Sorry to always be a pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 This should work well for you. TWIN2X4096-6400C5DHX Multiplier = 10 FSB = 266 DRAM = Unlinked and set to 800Mhz Memory Timing FSB - Memory Clock Mode: Unlinked CPU FSB: 266 CPU Multi: 10 DDR FSB: 800 tCL: 5 tRCD: 5 tRP: 5 tRAS: 18 Advanced Memory Settings tRRD: Auto tRC: Auto tWR: Auto tWTR: Auto tREF: Auto Async Latency: Auto CMD: 2T CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled SATA Spread Spectrum: Disabled LDT Spread Spectrum: Disabled CPU Internal Thermal Control: Enabled Limit CPUID MaxVal: Enabled Enhanced C1 (C1E): Enabled Execute Disable Bit: Enabled Virtualization Technology: Enabled Enhanced Intel Speedstep Tech: Enabled LDT Frequency: 5x PCIEX16_1 Frequency (Mhz): 101 PCIEX16_2 Frequency (Mhz): 101 PCIEX16_3 Frequency (Mhz): 101 SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, Mhz: 201 Voltages Vcore = Auto Vdimm (DRAM Voltage) = 1.8v 1.2v HT: Auto NB Vcore: Auto SB Vcore: Auto CPU VTT: Auto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 wow thanks, one thing im confused about, the CPU FSB, you suggested 266 but I thought this board went up to 1333. Are the two FSB's (RAM & CPU) linked ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 wow thanks, one thing im confused about, the CPU FSB, you suggested 266 but I thought this board went up to 1333. Are the two FSB's (RAM & CPU) linked ? You have a 266Mhz FSB CPU. This is quad pumped, leaving you with a CPU internal processing power of 266 X 4 = 1066Mhz. The board can accept a 333MHz (333 X 4 = 1333MHz) FSB CPU but your CPU is not one of those. You can raise your FSB of the CPU via overclocking though. Here's how it works. The system bus runs at 266Mhz with your processor. All other components run on a divisor or multiple of that bus speed. The internal processing power of your CPU is running at a multiple of the system bus of 266Mhz, that being 4 X 266 = 1066Mhz. The processing of data is processed at 1066Mhz in the CPU. Data is transferred into and out of the CPU (via the system bus which is 266Mhz) to the memory. The memory is a storage repository for the data. No operations are processed in memory, it is simply a storage facility for the processor to retrieve and send data. The memory runs on a multiple of the system bus, that being Double Data Rate (DDR). 533Mhz DDR is a 2 X multiple of the 266 bus. Dual Channel DRAM brings that 533Mhz Double Data Rate Dram to 1066 and you have a ratio of 1:1 (CPU:DRAM) being 1066:1066. With Intel based chipsets, there is no ratio lower than 1:1. In other words, the DRAM can not run slower than the CPU. It can, however, run at a higher speed than the CPU. When you use 667Mhz DDR2 Dram with a 1066Mhz CPU, you now employ a 4:5 Ratio with the DRAM depositing the data at a faster rate than the CPU processes it. This can be considered as an "asynchronous" system. Research: http://www.directron.com/fsbguide.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 Blimey I never knew that, thank you :) Will set those values up now, ive just finished running memtest for a while, not one error so the modules are fine. Thanks again :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 17, 2007 Share Posted October 17, 2007 You're very welcome. :): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 Well those values are entered, only difference was the CPU FSB was looking at the whole, so it was 1066 by default. Everything else was selected, this is 1st boot with those values, crunch will be in the next 30 minutes or so. Only problem now is the Event Viewer error, ACPI BIOS does not contain an IRQ for PCI slot whatever. About 6 entries in a row for that. Suspect BIOS im thinking. Could that cause a system hang ? Thanks again for all the help with the settings, cant believe so much wasnt set exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levzi Posted October 17, 2007 Author Share Posted October 17, 2007 Well those values are entered, only difference was the CPU FSB was looking at the whole, so it was 1066 by default. Everything else was selected, this is 1st boot with those values, crunch will be in the next 30 minutes or so. Only problem now is the Event Viewer error, ACPI BIOS does not contain an IRQ for PCI slot whatever. About 6 entries in a row for that. Suspect BIOS im thinking. Could that cause a system hang ? Thanks again for all the help with the settings, cant believe so much wasnt set exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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