Player1984 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Hi I need help Ocing my Q6600, from 2.4 to 3.0 or 3.2 whichever is more stable. Im a completly noob in the overclocking stuff, I need help from scrath, Ive been wondering in BIOS and I just make my computer crap and the it wont start hahaha so i always need to reset the BIOS, My mobo is the asus striker extreme with the extreme tweaker feature, im cooling my cpu with 3d galaxy II from gigabyte Please help me through a guided steps to achieve these icnluding the voltage fro the cpu and all that stuff, i need help plz i dont wanna burn it hehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Sure thing. What cooling are you using on that Quad core? Download Core Temp http://www.thecoolest.zerobrains.com/CoreTemp/CoreTempBeta.zip and run this program. What is your idle temperature? What does the VID (Voltage IDentification) show? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player1984 Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 Hi well my water cooling system is the 3D galaxy II from gigabyte, the program you told me wont work in vista 64, its says teh driver has failed to load again and agian,any other program that you recommend? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player1984 Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 Hi i found a workaround to run the program my temp shows VID 1.2750 CPU Temperature Reading Tjunction 100 C Core 0 = 44 C Core 1 = 40 C Core 2 = 38 C core 3 = 39 C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player1984 Posted October 4, 2007 Author Share Posted October 4, 2007 and with my room A/C turned on lol Core 1 = 39 Core 2 = 36 Core 3 = 33 Core 4 = 35 at idle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Your temps are a bit warm. Keep in mind with a quad core, you're limited by the weakest of the four cores. You are also limited by the population of 4 DRAM banks. You need to have some very good airflow in that case as the Nvidia chipset/mosfets run quite warm, even on stock. Download and install the 1303 BIOS. I have had friends lose their overclock stability with newer flashes. Then they come back to me and I tell them not to flash unless they call me. Multiplier = 9 FSB = 333 DRAM = Unlinked and set to 667Mhz Memory Timing FSB - Memory Clock Mode: Unlinked CPU FSB: 333 CPU Multi: 9 DDR FSB: 667 tCL: 5 tRCD: 5 tRP: 5 tRAS: 15 Advanced Memory Settings tRRD: Auto tRC: Auto tWR: Auto tWTR: Auto tREF: Auto Async Latency: Auto CMD: 2T CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled SATA Spread Spectrum: Disabled LDT Spread Spectrum: Disabled CPU Internal Thermal Control: Enabled Limit CPUID MaxVal: Enabled Enhanced C1 (C1E): Enabled Execute Disable Bit: Enabled Virtualization Technology: Enabled Enhanced Intel Speedstep Tech: Enabled LDT Frequency: 5x PCIEX16_1 Frequency (Mhz): 101 PCIEX16_2 Frequency (Mhz): 101 PCIEX16_3 Frequency (Mhz): 101 SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, Mhz: 201 -- Voltages -- Vcore = 1.30 - 1.35v Vdimm (DRAM Voltage) = 2.2v 1.2v HT: 1.3v NB Vcore: 1.35v SB Vcore: 1.50v CPU VTT: 1.30v This will give you 3.0Ghz and you can test the overclock with Prime95: ftp://mersenne.org/gimps/p95v253.zip You have set your DRAM low to exclude it from the overclock as a variable in stability. Test at 3.0Ghz for ~8 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgfla Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Hi I need help Ocing my Q6600, from 2.4 to 3.0 or 3.2 whichever is more stable. Im a completly noob in the overclocking stuff, I need help from scrath, Ive been wondering in BIOS and I just make my computer crap and the it wont start hahaha so i always need to reset the BIOS, My mobo is the asus striker extreme with the extreme tweaker feature, im cooling my cpu with 3d galaxy II from gigabyte Please help me through a guided steps to achieve these icnluding the voltage fro the cpu and all that stuff, i need help plz i dont wanna burn it hehehe I don't have the Q6600 in my Striker but my E6600 (B2 stepping - what stepping is your Q?) and the 1024-8500C5Ds overclock as follows (with ram in B1 & B2) For 3.2Ghz: 400x8 (FSB 1600) unlink memory set to 1066 overvoltages: VCore 1.525 (caution! this is from a board with a Vdroop mod, and extremely well cooled. It may be too much for you watch your temps as per the earlier)(It's also possibly excessive, see accompanying thread) VDIMM at 2.1V (you may need 2.2V if your RAM is version 2.1) All of the remaining voltage at the second tick up from Auto except for the DDR tweaks all set at default For 3.0 Ghz: 333x9. VCore a much cooler friendly 1.3925 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 I don't have the Q6600 in my Striker but my E6600 (B2 stepping - what stepping is your Q?) and the 1024-8500C5Ds overclock as follows (with ram in B1 & B2) The one I am working on is a L726A955, Revision (G0). It's an easy 3.4Ghz but will take some tweaking to make 3.6Ghz fully stable. It's not my system, it's a system build for a person in the Audio industry who can make use of the singularity on multi-threading apps. I await Nehalem and will not purchase a glued together Quad core :P I didn't purchase P4 D either. Be clear though, the difference between upclocking a Core 2 Duo and A Core 2 Quad is marked and one should NOT compare the two either on voltages or MCH settings. http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e269/Ropey123/Test2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player1984 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 Hi derek I do have the G0 version anyways i was wondering is it easy to go to 3.4 mhz like on your picture?? or you need a premium water cooling system to do so?? cause you've pushed it all the way to 3.6 haha well just wondering ill try my settings at 3.0 with the ones you gave me and ill post my temps so you tell me how I am doing thx for the reply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player1984 Posted October 5, 2007 Author Share Posted October 5, 2007 Hi well im on trouble :S couldnt find the BIOS 1303 on Asus webpage they just have 1301 and then jumps to 1305. Id tried the options you gave me and im a lil confused... Multiplier = 9 FSB = 333 [[[[[[is this the same as below CPU FSB?? aka FSB (QDR)]]]]]] DRAM = Unlinked and set to 667Mhz [[[[[is this the same below as DDR FSB?? aka MEM (DDR)??? if not i cant find these two option]]]] Memory Timing FSB - Memory Clock Mode: Unlinked CPU FSB: 333 [[[[ cant set those values Min 533 Max 3000 CPU Multi: 9 DDR FSB: 667[[[[[ cant set this values Min 400 Max 2600 tCL: 5 tRCD: 5 tRP: 5 tRAS: 15 Advanced Memory Settings tRRD: Auto tRC: Auto tWR: Auto tWTR: Auto tREF: Auto Async Latency: Auto CMD: 2T [[[[[ is this 2 clocks???? cause i cant find any 2T in memory settings]]]]] EVERYTHING ELSE I FOUND IT CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled MCP PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled SATA Spread Spectrum: Disabled LDT Spread Spectrum: Disabled CPU Internal Thermal Control: Enabled Limit CPUID MaxVal: Enabled Enhanced C1 (C1E): Enabled Execute Disable Bit: Enabled Virtualization Technology: Enabled Enhanced Intel Speedstep Tech: Enabled LDT Frequency: 5x PCIEX16_1 Frequency (Mhz): 101 PCIEX16_2 Frequency (Mhz): 101 PCIEX16_3 Frequency (Mhz): 101 SPP<->MCP Ref Clock, Mhz: 201 -- Voltages -- Vcore = 1.30 - 1.35v Vdimm (DRAM Voltage) = 2.2v 1.2v HT: 1.3v NB Vcore: 1.35v SB Vcore: 1.50v CPU VTT: 1.30v Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Hi well im on trouble :S couldnt find the BIOS 1303 on Asus webpage they just have 1301 and then jumps to 1305. Id tried the options you gave me and im a lil confused... Yes, one shows the value and the other is where you set the value. Set the FSB to 333 and the dram unlinked to 667. Then test for stability. 2T is the same as 2 clocks or a command rate of 2. Download 1303 from here: http://dlsvr01.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/Stricker%20Extreme/SE1303.zip Be certain to back up your BIOS before flashing to the new BIOS. Remove all overclock settings and set to default prior to flashing. After flashing, load setup defaults, save settings and reboot. Then enter your BIOS and apply your settings. What FPO/Batch number is your Q6600? Look to the box and post it here. I am still at 3.4Ghz with testing and will very likely stay there for a week or so to stabilize. Then I will move up. I have installed the Thermalright Ultra 120 eXtreme with two Antec 120mm fans on low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player1984 Posted October 6, 2007 Author Share Posted October 6, 2007 Memory Timing FSB - Memory Clock Mode: Unlinked CPU FSB: 333 [[[[ cant set those values Min 533 Max 3000 CPU Multi: 9 DDR FSB: 667[[[[[ cant set this values Min 400 Max 2600 CANT PUT 333 or 667 its not in the range value what do i set it up to? that part i stilldont understand what values ddo i put in??? btach number is L726A972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 I don't understand what your problem is. I have not had any issues with installing FSB and DRAM settings. Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player1984 Posted October 6, 2007 Author Share Posted October 6, 2007 DerekT I don't understand what your problem is. I have not had any issues with installing FSB and DRAM settings. Sorry Im talking about the settings especially this ones FSB - Memory Clock Mode: Unlinked CPU FSB: 333 [[[[ cant set those values Min 533 Max 3000[[[[default is 1066]] here i cant put 333 cause it says minimum 533 and ur telling me to put 333 CPU Multi: 9 DDR FSB: 667[[[[[ cant set this values Min 400 Max 2600[default i thin is 1066 tpp]]] CANT PUT 333 or 667 its not in the range value what do i set it up to? that part i stilldont understand what values ddo i put in??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player1984 Posted October 6, 2007 Author Share Posted October 6, 2007 actually in the ddr fsb you ask for 667 [ default 1066] [minimum 400 max 2600] so your value does fit in the parameters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 So default is 1066 and 1066/4 = 266. Core 2 is quad pumped so 266 x 4 = 1066 Now 333 x 4 = 1333 Install QDR as 1333 However, your DDR2 is default 266 X 2 = 533, not 1066 so again, I don't understand the way you put things though. You must have a different Striker board. :thinking: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hgfla Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 The one I am working on is a L726A955, Revision (G0). It's an easy 3.4Ghz but will take some tweaking to make 3.6Ghz fully stable. It's not my system, it's a system build for a person in the Audio industry who can make use of the singularity on multi-threading apps. I await Nehalem and will not purchase a glued together Quad core :P I didn't purchase P4 D either. I was pleasantly surprised to find the quad works really well in a *nix environment on one of the FreeBSD machines in the office. It's markedly snappier in desktop apps than the duo and as you might expect the extra two cores knock around 5 minutes off 15 minutes it took to buildworld (with 20 jobs allowed) on that platform with the duo. I share your skepticism though on these quads in a windows environment. Be clear though, the difference between upclocking a Core 2 Duo and A Core 2 Quad is marked and one should NOT compare the two either on voltages or MCH settings. Good point. I don't have my Q6600 pushed at all at, 2.9ghz because of the very thing you noted, it being limited by the weakest core. Setups like the ultimate boot cd don't swing it with these parts since they only test the first CPU and I can't run windows programs on this machine. What this country needs is a version of UBCD with multithreaded Prime95 on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 6, 2007 Share Posted October 6, 2007 I was pleasantly surprised to find the quad works really well in a *nix environment on one of the FreeBSD machines in the office. It's markedly snappier in desktop apps than the duo and as you might expect the extra two cores knock around 5 minutes off 15 minutes it took to buildworld (with 20 jobs allowed) on that platform with the duo. I share your skepticism though on these quads in a windows environment. The issue I have is the lack of both L1 and L2 Cache coherency between Core 0/1 and Core2/3. This is the same issue with P4D and although Penryn will share L1 Cache, it will not be coherent with L2 and I refuse to pay for glued together processors. Call it a personal choice as I have friends in the music and gameflow industry who show marked improvement when assigning virtual operation per core. Good point. I don't have my Q6600 pushed at all at, 2.9ghz because of the very thing you noted, it being limited by the weakest core. Setups like the ultimate boot cd don't swing it with these parts since they only test the first CPU and I can't run windows programs on this machine. Some people are hitting the Northbridge far too high in my view, and although the Core 2 is a robust processor, the application of CPU Core Voltages and Northbridge with Core 2 Duo levels is not healthy with Core2 Quad. 1.5V is the new 1.6+V in my estimation. Intel has raised their thermal specs, but I wonder at this raise. They are still Core2 Duos, and are revised of B2, not L2 so I wonder. :) I do note that the VID is now a multiple VID and raises/lowers with the use of the Cores. This tells me that it is very likely now tied to concurrency in the multiple cores. This was not the case with Core2 Duo. What this country needs is a version of UBCD with multithreaded Prime95 on it I agree whole heartedly. That would make my life much easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player1984 Posted October 7, 2007 Author Share Posted October 7, 2007 FINALLY DEREK lol Ok ive finally managed to put the setting you told me... when i run the core temp it says frequeny 3,000 mhz, i guess this is 3.0 mhz but my question is this... when i run CPU-Z it says Core Speed---2,000 Mhz [[[[[shouldnt it be 3,000]]] [[[before it was 2,400]]] did I did something run and went back instead of forward?? lol Multiplier x6 bus speed--- 333.4 rated fsb ---1333 are these setting ok or am I doing somehting wrong??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player1984 Posted October 7, 2007 Author Share Posted October 7, 2007 And If Im doing something wrong, whats the next step to correct this problem?? Thanks Again DerekT for your time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 No Problem. There is no such thing as a static single default value for core voltages on the modern processors. They run on a Multiple VID (Voltage IDentification) platform intended to keep the processors cooler when not at workload power requirements. The Multiple VID is a Code Set Instruction for raising and lowering Processor Core Voltages [utilizing a 6-bit digital-to-analog converter (DAC) for Intel and a 5-bit DAC for AMD] housed in the CPU. This DAC uses a VID-code provided by the CPU to program the desired CPU core voltage. Thus the regulated output voltage can be dynamically adjusted by changing the VID-code "on the fly" and giving a "boost' to the core voltage when needed or dropping it when not needed. This helps to keep the processor cooler as lower voltages usually equal lower processor operating temperatures. Your multiplier is not static either. You have a multiplier of 9 that can and does drop when the power is not necessary. It will drop to 6. You are running 333 X 9 = 3.0Ghz. When the system does not need the power it will drop the multiplier and lower the VID to keep the processor cool. Now 333 X 6 = ~2.0Ghz. So your system will fluctuate between 2.0Ghz and 3.0GHz. Before the overclock, you were running at 266 X 9 = 2.4Ghz and the drop would have been 266 X 6 = ~1.6Ghz. Should you wish to research these CPU Design Characteristics you will find them under the terms: Intel SpeedStep (EIST) and Intel Enhanced HALT State (C1E) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andehh Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Hi Derek, Off-topic sorry, but I've noticed in the screenshot you've posted that you apprear to have 4 instances of Prime95 running in a single app? I'm messing around with my Q6600 at the moment and have been using Prime95 to stress test but I'm running 4 separate instances of the program. I was using a .bat file to make it easier but it stopped working and now only runs them consecutively rather than concurrently for some reason. How can you run the instances in a single window? Cheers Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andehh Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 I've just looked at your screenshot again and noticed it's v25! I guess it's a new feature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 How can you run the instances in a single window? A New Beta Version Andy... Prime95 v25.2 Ready to Download : OS: 9x/Me/NT/2k/XP ---> Download v25.2 OS: XP x64/2003 x64 ---> Download v24.14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andehh Posted October 10, 2007 Share Posted October 10, 2007 Cheers!! Much easier :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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