adm3rd Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 ATTN. DEREK T. Hey dude whats up! Did you get my personal reply on the Silicon Image Controller thing? If so just say yes and I won't bother you any more on that subject. If not I will resend. Now for the subject at hand. Again I am just trying to learn and am not in anyway questioning you by any means and very much appreciate all you have helped me with. O.K. the last time we conversed you said that overclocking my ram anymore would be just numbers due to my present ratio. I decided to play with the front side bus a little more and this seems to be just as stable as the 240! I haven't done any real testing yet until you tell me weather or not these are just numbers or will I see any more performance from these adjustments? I obvously still don't have a full understanding, but I'm going to keep plugging away until it sinks in or you get sick of me which ever comes first! :) Attached is CPU-Z last time you looked at my specs I was at 240 this time 250 Really enjoy reading all the posts you reply to! AlexCPU-Z01.bmpCPU-Z02.bmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 ATTN. DEREK T. Hey dude whats up! Did you get my personal reply on the Silicon Image Controller thing? If so just say yes and I won't bother you any more on that subject. If not I will resend. I just resent my original answer to you. O.K. the last time we conversed you said that overclocking my ram anymore would be just numbers due to my present ratio. I decided to play with the front side bus a little more and this seems to be just as stable as the 240! I haven't done any real testing yet until you tell me weather or not these are just numbers or will I see any more performance from these adjustments? I obvously still don't have a full understanding, but I'm going to keep plugging away until it sinks in or you get sick of me which ever comes first! :) Attached is CPU-Z last time you looked at my specs I was at 240 this time 250 Overclocking your DRAM without raising your FSB is not going to give you any real benefit is what I meant. IF you raise your FSB whilst concurrently raising your DRAM then you will gain a benefit. Use Orthos and Memtest to test your system stability when you raise your FSB and DRAM. What do you have for a CPU cooler? What are your load temperatures. When you have been running Orthos Prime for 30 minutes, what are your temperatures? Your processor can overclock quite high, however, your CPU is a heat monster and needs to be kept inline so be careful you do not take the processor higher than it can dissipate the heat or you WILL find yourself in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adm3rd Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 YES, I'm aware of the heat issues. I am using a Zalman 9500 W/ a Antec p180 case, temps seem to be the same which have been 43 degrees Celsius idle and 63 max under heavy load. I haven't actually tested it in it's current configuration, but idle temps are the same. I saw somewhere you posted a link to the Orthos, would you do that for me please? I already have the Memtest. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Google is your friend :) http://sp2004.fre3.com/beta/orthos_exe_20060420.cab Your load temps are at the high end already. I would not look to clocking much higher if I were you, but hey, it's your hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adm3rd Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 Google is your friend :) http://sp2004.fre3.com/beta/orthos_exe_20060420.cab Your load temps are at the high end already. I would not look to clocking much higher if I were you, but hey, it's your hardware. Yes, I know Google is my friend. I actually found it before I asked you, but it said "beta" and I thought there might be a newer version. When I run the test my computer restarts! The temp never went over 60 degrees Celsius. I thought maybe just that program, but does the same with Prime95. I guess I'll go back to my old setting unless you know why my computer is restarting. Also, I didn't think 43 - 63 degrees Celsius was that bad for that processor? Prime95 has been running for about 20 minutes now and temp is 54 degrees Celsius, this is at old settings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 If you are restarting during Prime, then you are not stable. If you pass memtest, then your memory is stable but the overclock is not if you fail Orthos. Idle temperatures are not really that important, it is the load temps that are and 63 is at the upper height for that processor. It's not something to be alarmed with but you need to keep an eye on it. My prior settings for you from your other post. Easier if you do not create more posts as this has me traveling around from post to post to see what you have done and what advice has been given you. Configure System Frequency/Voltage: 1-AI Overclocking : "Manual" 2-CPU Frequency: 240 3-DRAM Frequency: DDR2-800 4-Performance Mode set to: Auto 5-PCI Express Frequency, set to: 100 6-PCI Clock Synch Mode, set to: 33.33MHZ 7-Memory Voltage: 2.1v or 2.2v 8-CPU Voltage Core: I'm sure you have this figured out for your system 9-FSB Voltage : AUTO 10-MCH Chipset Voltage: 1.55v 11-ICH Chipset Voltage: AUTO. Advanced CPU settings: 1-Microcode: Enabled 2-Max CPUID: Enabled 3-Execute Disabled Function: Enabled 4-Enhanced C1 Control: Enabled 5-CPU Internal Thermal Control: Enabled Advanced Chipset Settings: 1-Configure Dram Timings By SPD: Disabled 2-Set to: 5-5-5-12-5 3-DRAM ECC Mode: Disabled 4-Hyper Path 3: Enabled (if 250fsb+ set to: Disabled) 5-DRAM Throttling Threshold: AUTO 6-Boot Graphics Adapter Priority: PCI-Express/PCI Set your MCH at +1v and retest. What is your cpu core voltage? Please post the exact settings you are at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adm3rd Posted January 18, 2007 Author Share Posted January 18, 2007 If you are restarting during Prime, then you are not stable. If you pass memtest, then your memory is stable but the overclock is not if you fail Orthos. Idle temperatures are not really that important, it is the load temps that are and 63 is at the upper height for that processor. It's not something to be alarmed with but you need to keep an eye on it. My prior settings for you from your other post. Easier if you do not create more posts as this has me traveling around from post to post to see what you have done and what advice has been given you. Set your MCH at +1v and retest. What is your cpu core voltage? Please post the exact settings you are at. My settings are pretty much the same with the exception of (in bold red)... Configure System Frequency/Voltage: 1-AI Overclocking : "Manual" 2-CPU Frequency: 240 3-DRAM Frequency: DDR2-800 4-Performance Mode set to: Turbo 5-PCI Express Frequency, set to: 100 6-PCI Clock Synch Mode, set to: 33.33MHZ 7-Memory Voltage: 2.1v or 2.2v 8-CPU Voltage Core: 1.30v 9-FSB Voltage : AUTO 10-MCH Chipset Voltage: 1.55v 11-ICH Chipset Voltage: AUTO. Advanced CPU settings: 1-Microcode: Enabled 2-Max CPUID: Enabled 3-Execute Disabled Function: Disable 4-Enhanced C1 Control: Enabled 5-CPU Internal Thermal Control: Enabled Advanced Chipset Settings: 1-Configure Dram Timings By SPD: Disabled 2-Set to: 5-5-5-12-5 3-DRAM ECC Mode: Disabled 4-Hyper Path 3: Enabled (if 250fsb+ set to: Disabled) 5-DRAM Throttling Threshold: AUTO 6-Boot Graphics Adapter Priority: PCI-Express/PCI When the computer was unstable the only difference was the FSB increases from 240 to 250 and disabled Hyper Path 3. I have gone back to the settings above and Prime95 has been running for over 7 hours with no errors and temp is 55 degrees Celsius at most during the test. The 63 degrees is only in the middle of summer (Arizona!) when I'm rendering a project and maybe running spy-ware scan while surfing the net. this actually seems to be more of a stain that the torture test. I'm thinking leave well enough alone! I'm so use to other forums that seem after a couple days no one seems to ck back, but it is obvious that's not the case here. I will stick with this thread, sorry if I have been frustrating! Keep me in line! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 Configure System Frequency/Voltage: 1-AI Overclocking : "Manual" 2-CPU Frequency: 240 3-DRAM Frequency: DDR2-800 Set to DDR2-667 Your issue is not the processor bus at 250MHz. Remember when I said that if you wished to raise your FSB past 240 you would have to drop your DRAM to DDR2667 as it is doubtful that you would make greater than 960MHz on that DDR2. I would drop the DRAM to DDR2667 and retest for stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adm3rd Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 I don't have a 667 setting @ 240 I tried a couple of the lower settings and does not perform as well as original settings. When FSB set to 250 I do have the 667 setting and it performs better on benchmark test, but still unstable! From what you know of it, if it were your machine what would your goal be? Thanks for the personal reply on the other issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoxxy Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 p5wd2 should relabel the dividers as you increase fsb. The default dividers should be DDR2-400, DDR2-533, DDR2-667, but these increase as the FSB increases. I think if you download the newest bios you might have better stability by lowering the cpu multiplier and actually raising the fsb to 266 where the board will restrap (made for C2D). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adm3rd Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 p5wd2 should relabel the dividers as you increase fsb. The default dividers should be DDR2-400, DDR2-533, DDR2-667, but these increase as the FSB increases. I think if you download the newest bios you might have better stability by lowering the cpu multiplier and actually raising the fsb to 266 where the board will restrap (made for C2D). Thank you for your reply! I thought the multiplier was locked on the 830 D? Please forgive my ignorance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoxxy Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 The multiplier is locked higher, but with newer bios versions you can lower the multiplier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 I also would advise you to flash to the newest BIOS if your ability to lower the multiplier is non functional. Settings, (depending on what BIOS you are using) Power Menu Hardware Monitor -> AI Quiet = DISABLED ** If you do not disable this setting, you will have the system override the other bios settings and return the multiplier to stock. Disable this if you have this option and use Q-Fan for fan quietness. Advanced Menu CPU Configuration -> Intel Speed Step = Minimum (for 14 multiplier), Enabled 14-15 based on usage, Disabled will negate "lock free enabled" and run it at Stock This might well be a good method for you to make use of the 266 strap as Yoxxy mentioned. Your performance throughput will certainly be noticeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adm3rd Posted January 19, 2007 Author Share Posted January 19, 2007 Thanks Guy's! I appreciate your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adm3rd Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 Hi Guys, I do have the ability to lower the multiplier with the BIOS version I am using (0519). I was able after reading post and figured out what I was missing. I have tried all of the suggestions and this current configuration is the best I can get stably. I can run Memtest and Orthos for hours with no errors what so ever. Any other configuration and the computer restarts during first 10 minutes of Orthos. I know before I even test that it is unstable because during a normal restart of Windows the computer will completely shut down and then start back up on its own instead of Windows just restarting. I guess this leaves me giving the BIOS a flash, I don't know why I have been so weird about doing this, but I have! Should I just go with the newest version or is there one everyone finds best, please advise. Thanks, Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 I have tried all of the suggestions and this current configuration is the best I can get stably. What is the current configuration? The one I previously mentioned or the lower multiplier/raised FSB? I guess this leaves me giving the BIOS a flash, I don't know why I have been so weird about doing this, but I have! Should I just go with the newest version or is there one everyone finds best, please advise. If you are not having issues, then you really don't need to update the BIOS unless specific issues are addressed. If you do decide to flash a new BIOS, set your system to default and remove all USB connections if you can. This board has seen issues with flashing and devices connected on the USB protocol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adm3rd Posted January 23, 2007 Author Share Posted January 23, 2007 The first one... Configure System Frequency/Voltage: 1-AI Overclocking : "Manual" 2-CPU Frequency: 240 3-DRAM Frequency: DDR2-800 4-Performance Mode set to: Turbo 5-PCI Express Frequency, set to: 100 6-PCI Clock Synch Mode, set to: 33.33MHZ 7-Memory Voltage: 2.1v 8-CPU Voltage Core: 1.30v 9-FSB Voltage : AUTO 10-MCH Chipset Voltage: 1.55v 11-ICH Chipset Voltage: AUTO. Advanced CPU settings: 1-Microcode: Enabled 2-Max CPUID: Enabled 3-Execute Disabled Function: Disabled 4-Enhanced C1 Control: Enabled 5-CPU Internal Thermal Control: Enabled Advanced Chipset Settings: 1-Configure Dram Timings By SPD: Disabled 2-Set to: 5-5-5-12-5 3-DRAM ECC Mode: Disabled 4-Hyper Path 3: Enabled (if 250fsb+ set to: Disabled) 5-DRAM Throttling Threshold: AUTO 6-Boot Graphics Adapter Priority: PCI-Express/PCI I have the same shutdown issue with the processor bus at 250MHz & DRAM at DDR2667. I experimented with lowering the multiplier and same issue? :( Thanks for the advice on flashing the BIOS, but I agree with you I really don't have issues that a BIOS flash would address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Have you tried raising the CPU Core voltage a bit? The shutdown issue is not really a big deal is it? The system shuts down fine, correct? It's just you can not effect a restart? Then all you really have to do is choose shut down and manually press the start button. No issues at 250MFSB other than this issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adm3rd Posted January 23, 2007 Author Share Posted January 23, 2007 Have you tried raising the CPU Core voltage a bit? The shutdown issue is not really a big deal is it? The system shuts down fine, correct? It's just you can not effect a restart? Then all you really have to do is choose shut down and manually press the start button. No issues at 250MFSB other than this issue? Any other configuration and the computer restarts during first 10 minutes of Orthos. I didn't mess to much with voltages, but I tried different FSB 240-250 with RAM set to DDR2667 and got restart during Orthos. Also tried lowering multiplier within this range. The 250FSB W/DDR2667 produces better bench marks, but still restarts during Orthos test! The shutdown issue would not be a big deal if it existed by its self but it seems when it is present so is restart during Orthos test! I hope I am being clear! Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 Yes, I understand. I had to refresh by reading the thread again as I am involved in three restart issues at this time :biggrin: I would raise the core voltage from 1.3 to 1.35v and see if the 250FSB and resart issues are dealt with. Can you raise your MCH incrementally as well? If these work, what are your thermals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adm3rd Posted January 23, 2007 Author Share Posted January 23, 2007 Yes, I understand. I had to refresh by reading the thread again as I am involved in three restart issues at this time :biggrin: I would raise the core voltage from 1.3 to 1.35v and see if the 250FSB and resart issues are dealt with. Can you raise your MCH incrementally as well? If these work, what are your thermals? Good news, did work and as I suspected the second set of setting you suggested produced the best benchmarks... (250fsb ram set to 667Mhz) Unfortunately as you pointed out in earlier reply I am already at high end on temps and the extra voltage needed to make stable puts me at 65 degree load temps! The second best is the ones I came up with before I got help on this forum. (lucky guess!) Do you see anything wrong here? Anything you would change? I thought the lower the voltage the better so long as everything is stable... Configure System Frequency/Voltage: 1-AI Overclocking : "Manual" 2-CPU Frequency: 240 3-DRAM Frequency: DDR2-800 4-Performance Mode set to: Turbo 5-PCI Express Frequency, set to: 100 6-PCI Clock Synch Mode, set to: 33.33MHZ 7-Memory Voltage: 1.95v 8-CPU Voltage Core: 1.30v 9-FSB Voltage : AUTO 10-MCH Chipset Voltage: 1.55v 11-ICH Chipset Voltage: AUTO. Advanced CPU settings: 1-Microcode: Enabled 2-Max CPUID: Enabled 3-Execute Disabled Function: Disabled 4-Enhanced C1 Control: Enabled 5-CPU Internal Thermal Control: Enabled Advanced Chipset Settings: 1-Configure Dram Timings By SPD: Disabled 2-Set to: 5-5-5-12-5 3-DRAM ECC Mode: Disabled 4-Hyper Path 3: Enabled 5-DRAM Throttling Threshold: AUTO 6-Boot Graphics Adapter Priority: PCI-Express/PCI Thanks for all your help I have learned allot! Hope to be just like you when I grow-up! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 It's all good. With that processor I think that 65C is fine if that is the maximum. Keep in mind that I am more conservative with load temps than most and most would say that you are fine. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adm3rd Posted January 23, 2007 Author Share Posted January 23, 2007 Really! Maybe I'll go back to your second suggestion and play with the vcore a little more. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 23, 2007 Share Posted January 23, 2007 You're very welcome :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adm3rd Posted January 23, 2007 Author Share Posted January 23, 2007 It's all good. With that processor I think that 65C is fine if that is the maximum. Keep in mind that I am more conservative with load temps than most and most would say that you are fine. :) O.K. I when back and played a little more after you made me feel less paranoid about my temps! I found these settings to be stable and would like your opinion. Amazing what a little voltage can do. Below is my new settings and some screen shots, please let me know what you think. I'm still a little unclear as to why the lower RAM frequency produces better bench marks? I am right am I not? my RAM is running at 333x2 instead of 400x2 but benchmarks better because of increased FSB? Anyway please look at my screen shots and tell me what you think, I managed to find a Vcore voltage that is stable and cooler..... Configure System Frequency/Voltage: 1-AI Overclocking : "Manual" 2-CPU Frequency: 250 3-DRAM Frequency: DDR2-667 4-Performance Mode set to: Auto 5-PCI Express Frequency, set to: 100 6-PCI Clock Synch Mode, set to: 33.33MHZ 7-Memory Voltage: 2.1v 8-CPU Voltage Core: 1.3250v 9-FSB Voltage : AUTO 10-MCH Chipset Voltage: 1.55v 11-ICH Chipset Voltage: AUTO. Advanced CPU settings: 1-Microcode: Enabled 2-Max CPUID: Enabled 3-Execute Disabled Function: Disabled 4-Enhanced C1 Control: Enabled 5-CPU Internal Thermal Control: Enabled Advanced Chipset Settings: 1-Configure Dram Timings By SPD: Disabled 2-Set to: 5-5-5-12-5 3-DRAM ECC Mode: Disabled 4-Hyper Path 3: Disabled 5-DRAM Throttling Threshold: AUTO 6-Boot Graphics Adapter Priority: PCI-Express/PCI Screen Shots... http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p230/adm3rd/CPU-Z-CPU.jpg http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p230/adm3rd/CPU-Z-Memory.jpg http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p230/adm3rd/OrthosTest.jpg One more thing, in my testing I messed with the RAM timing which I have no business doing because I really don't have a full understanding! Because I do not have a full understanding I rendered my computer unbootable! Now my point, to get back up and running I removed the motherboard battery and used the jumper to clear the CMOS. I thought I saw in one of your posts that there is an easier way to deal with this, is that right? If so please explain. Thanks again, I have had allot of fun thanks to your guiding hand. Very much appreciated!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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