kendogg102 Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Hello I am looking for some help with a new computer i have built. I have been trying to install a game (bf2142 specifically) and during the instilation i get MD5 Errors. I have tried to find things on the net relating to this specific problem and have seen the fingers pointed in every direction. I did read something about maybe the memory latencies are causing these problems. Any help at all would greatly be appreciated even if it is not memory related, thanx **Right after i submitted this post i hit the BSOD and crashed, so i guess my system is a bit unstable. Please help!!! Memory BIOS: Mem CLK: 200 mhz CAS Lat: 3.0 RAS/CAS Delay: 3 Min Active Ras: 8 row precharge time: 3 ras/ras delay: 2 row cycle: 9 row refresh cycle: 14 Read/Write Delay: 2 Read Preamble: 5.5ns Asynch Latency: 7ns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted December 31, 2006 Share Posted December 31, 2006 Keep in mind that MD5 errors deal with CD/DVD Disc issues and research: http://www.cybertechhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91815 Please try these settings: Advanced Menu Amd K8 Cool'nQuiet : Disabled Jumperfree Configuration: AI Overclocking: Manual SB to NB Frequency: 200 Adjust PCI-e Frequency: 100 PEG Link Mode: Auto Over-Voltage CPU VCore: Enabled (This enacts the 8-Phase power and adds +.2V to your Processor VCore) Over-Voltage NB VCore: Disabled Over-Voltage SB VCore: Disabled Over-Voltage Hypertransport: Disabled DDR VCore: 2.7 FID/VID Change: Manual Processor Frequency Multiplier: 12 Processor Voltage: 1.15 (This is your processor VCore with a default 1.35v. 1.15v + Overvoltage +.2V = 1.35v) DDR Clock Skew: Auto CPU Configuration: CART Error Reporting: Disabled MTRR Mapping: Continuous 1T/2T Memory Timing: 2T (This is your Memory Command Rate. Test at 2T first, then 1T second. IF you pass Memtest with 1T then set to 1T) Memory Setting: Memory CLK: 200MHz CAS Latency (Tcl): 3 RAS/CAS Delay (Trcd): 4 Min Active RAS (Tras): 8 Row Precharge Time (Trp): 4 Row Cycle (Trc): 12 Row Refresh Cycle (Trfc): 12 Read Write Delay (Trwt): 4 Read Preamble: 7.0ns Asynchronous Latency 7ns Memory Configuration: Memclock Mode: Limit MCT Timing Mode: 200 MCT Extra Timing Mode: Manual TREF (to DDR Input Strobe Skew): 7.8us TWCL (to DDR Input Strobe Skew): 1 R/W Que Bypass Count: 8 Bypass Max: 4 Dynamic Idle Cycle Center: Enabled DDR Driving Strength: Normal Enabled 32Byte Granularity: Disabled DDR Input Strobe Skew: Disabled User Config Mode: Auto Bank Interleaving: Auto Burst Length: 8 Beats Hardware Memory Hole: Disabled DRAM ECC Enable: Disabled L2 Cache BG Scrub: Disabled Data Cache BG Scrub: Disabled Chipset:K8 to NB Frequency: 200 K8 to NB LinkWidth: 16 | 16| SB to NB Frequency: 1000 SB to NB LinkWidth: 16 | 16| Primary Graphics Adapter: PciE1-->PCI-->PciE2 (if using first 16X PCI-e Slot) Primary Graphics Adapter: PciE2-->PCI-->PciE1 (if using second 16X PCI-e Slot) USB Configuration: Legacy USB Support: Disabled (unless you have a USB Keyboard which you would then enable) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendogg102 Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 ok my first question is where do you get all this setting information, i mean that is alot of stuff to reconfigure. my second questions or observation is that in your list you say to change the Processor Frequency Multiplier to 12. In the bios mine only goes to 11. also you say to change the SB to NB Frequency to 1000. In my bios it is in multiplier increments (5x, 6x, 7x, etc) Last thing is that some of these settings you recommend could possibly damage my hardware or am i being to cautious? Thanx for your reply! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 ok my first question is where do you get all this setting information, i mean that is alot of stuff to reconfigure. I was setting performance mode for that mainboard. Very likely I was too hasty as you are very ready for tweaking and testing. My error. I downloaded your manual and set them manually. You do NOT have to reconfigure "any" of your settings. I should have left this out and only posted such settings in the "Enthusiast" section. So this is my error. Please do not follow any of my settings if you are at all concerned with them. In the future I will not place such settings in any area other than the "Enthusiast" section where users are more advanced. my second questions or observation is that in your list you say to change the Processor Frequency Multiplier to 12. In the bios mine only goes to 11. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_64_microprocessors#.22Toledo.22_.28E6.2C_90_nm.29 Correct. I placed 12 in place of the 11 X multiplier. You can not raise any higher than 11 so would not be able to make use of a 12X multi regardless. also you say to change the SB to NB Frequency to 1000. In my bios it is in multiplier increments (5x, 6x, 7x, etc) 1000 = 5 X 200 thus your increment is 5X Last thing is that some of these settings you recommend could possibly damage my hardware or am i being to cautious? These are performance mode settings and could cause your system to be unstdable, lock up etc. Then a CMOS reset would be needed to set back to system defaults. Very possibly you are not ready for such a move and in which case I advise you to set all your BIOS settings to Default. As I said, the MD5 is an Optical read/device error at any rate and the settings I gave would not have anything to do with that issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendogg102 Posted January 1, 2007 Author Share Posted January 1, 2007 thanx for helping me out with my questions, but i am having some troubles still and dont know where to go. I am having trouble upgrading windows to SP2. I have expereinced crashes, BSOD's, and just overall uncomfort and unstability. I guess what i am asking is if my bios settings could be affecting my stability or is it windows or is it something that i am overlooking???? I will give your recommended bios settings a try but could it even help??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 1, 2007 Share Posted January 1, 2007 The only setting that I can see making a difference between random reboots might well be the Vdimm set to 2.1v. The other settings are simply optimizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendogg102 Posted January 2, 2007 Author Share Posted January 2, 2007 about the MD5 thing. I am not getting from running a CD or using an optical drive like that, i am getting it when i download the software from the internet. Sometimes the files are corrupt and sometimes they are not when i go to install them. If my HD were bad then i think that the chkdsk program would find something odd, so that leaves me to believe that the memory is corrupt. Does anyone see any other logic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 When I said that the only issue that I could see causing problems would be the voltage, I meant that if the DRAM was set low, there could be issues, not that the DRAM at 2.1v could be the issue. I just read my sentence and noticed that it was easy to confuse what I meant. Set your BIOS to Load Default values. Then set your Command Rate to 2T and your ram to 2.1v. Memory CLK: 200MHz CAS Latency (Tcl): 3 RAS/CAS Delay (Trcd): 4 Min Active RAS (Tras): 8 Row Precharge Time (Trp): 4 Row Cycle (Trc): 12 Row Refresh Cycle (Trfc): 12 Read Write Delay (Trwt): 4 Read Preamble: 7.0ns Asynchronous Latency 7ns I would test each stick of ram singly with Memtest from http://www.memtest.org Then I would test the pair. Do they pass? You need to test the hardware to isolate the issue. If the ram tests out fine on Memtest then the issue is elsewhere. Yes, the hard drive can create such issues. I do, however, agree, that if the hard drive was the issue, then you would see corruption in the download at the data level.. Since you are downloading from the internet, there could be a problem with the built in lan adapter. It could be a memory issue. It could be a buffer issue on the mainboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendogg102 Posted January 2, 2007 Author Share Posted January 2, 2007 you have been very helpful Derek and i thank you. I will test the memory hopefully when i get a chance tonight and then go from there. Do you think that if its not the memory, maybe it is a driver issue with the chipset? I would upload the newest chipset drivers but the only one i can find on nvidia.com kept crashing my system. They dont make it easy to find the right chipset drivers on that website and Asus's website is even less helpful. Im starting to wish i would have stayed with gigabyte mb's! **if found this today that describes some of the symptoms that i am experiencing, its for another board but its what im going through http://evga.com/support/680i/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendogg102 Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 both sticks found errors on them, 1 more than the other but i guess even one error is bad enough. I guess i should test some other areas, any advice???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted January 3, 2007 Corsair Employees Share Posted January 3, 2007 Getting errors with both modules would suggest some other problem, did you disable legacy USB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendogg102 Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 i dont think i did. Why does that effect the test? I am running prime95 torture test on the cpu right now, maybe an hour into it or so. Should i stop and test the memory again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Yes. Enter your BIOS and disable the Legacy USB and then test each module singly please. There are issues with certain BIOS's and Legacy USB. It is a bug that is well known. The bug has to do with the testing and does not effect the system. Thus, you disable for testing but enable when not testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendogg102 Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 ok ill try that now. In prime95 im into the 20k fft test with no problems and temp holding stedy at 42 degrees the whole time. MB is holding at 36 degrees. Maybe been running 1 and a half hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 ok ill try that now. In prime95 im into the 20k fft test with no problems and temp holding stedy at 42 degrees the whole time. MB is holding at 36 degrees. Maybe been running 1 and a half hours. I think that the issue is the Legacy USB since you are priming fine. Are you using dual instances of prime or Orthos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendogg102 Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 i was only running one instance of prime. did 2 passes on each stick of memory and got no errors. on first pass with both sticks in got errors in step 7. Bios??? Should i turn Legacy support back on now???? **ran memtest 1 more time after updating chipset drivers. Got through 1 pass with no errors then i stopped so i can sleep. I hope that did it but ill test it more tommorow evening. Let me know if you have any ideas and thanx for your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendogg102 Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 i downloaded bf2142 this morning and tried to install after download. It said something about a pagefile problem and said to run chkdsk. Then the tool i used to download b2142 (EA Link) told me to delete the cache and try to re-download. Didnt have time for that but i ran chkdsk. It said this: "CHKDSK discovered free space marked as allocated in the volume bitmap. Windows found problems with the file system. Run CHKDSK with the /f (fix) option to correct these." So i ran with the /f option and it said it would have to do it at next reboot. So it rebooted and ran before windows started. Got into windows and ran chkdsk again to see if it fixed anything. CHKDSK said the same thing again. Im still not confident from my single pass in memtest with both mem sticks in. Ill have to run it longer tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Yes, I would run more than a few passes (8+) in your system. Do this with the side panel off for thermal radiation purposes. Do you by any chance have another hard drive in case of your ram passing? In any event, the errors you show (with Legacy USB disabled) has me thinking DRAM as a suspect in this issue. What happens with this (above) testing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendogg102 Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 Do you by any chance have another hard drive in case of your ram passing? In any event, the errors you show (with Legacy USB disabled) has me thinking DRAM as a suspect in this issue. What do you mean "hard drive in case of your ram passing" Are you asking if i have another hard drive the anwser is yes, a 160gb Western Digital **Im going to update the bios when i get home tonight also, clouldnt hurt. I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 3, 2007 Share Posted January 3, 2007 Do you by any chance have another hard drive in case of your ram passing? In any event, the errors you show (with Legacy USB disabled) has me thinking DRAM as a suspect in this issue. What do you mean "hard drive in case of your ram passing" Are you asking if i have another hard drive the anwser is yes, a 160gb Western Digital **Im going to update the bios when i get home tonight also, clouldnt hurt. I hope. Updating the BIOS can be a good thing. Yes, can you test installing on the other drive. It would serve to isolate the possibility of the issue being the drive if the issues remain after installing on that drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendogg102 Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 Ill try the bios first and then i think Western Digital has some HDD diagnosis utility. Ill give that a run and report when I have some results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted January 3, 2007 Corsair Employees Share Posted January 3, 2007 Please let us know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendogg102 Posted January 3, 2007 Author Share Posted January 3, 2007 i ran the western digital diagnostic tool on my windows HD and it found nothing. Im running on my back up drive to check it also and will perform memtest on my modules again. Just ran prime95 blend test and it failed on test 1. FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.498046875, expected less than 0.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kendogg102 Posted January 4, 2007 Author Share Posted January 4, 2007 ok, i put the two 1gb sticks on my other computer (Gigabyte K8n Pro) and ran memtest for a little over 2 hours with no problems. Im starting to think what ever is handling the memory on my asus motherboard is not doing such a good job. Maybe i need to return the motherboard. Is there anyway i can confirm this for sure??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I still would test the installation of another drive. You said that you have one. That is what I would do regardless of the WD test. Controllers have been known to return error free, yet error on the copy of real data in real events. Fatal errors on Prime when you have tested the DRAM to be good are almost always due to CPU instability. I have seen this occur many times with CPU's that have been highly overclocked and overvolted. They are unstable and lose the overclock, finally losing the ability to run stable even at stock and doubly so on AMD CPU's. The on CPU memory controller loses its ability to function correctly. I wonder if you have had this system overclocked? Did you buy it or the parts new? Can you give us some information regarding what has been done to this system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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