viruskiller Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 Hi! I need the correct settings to run this ram on this mobo with the adverstised settings... Im running it on 219FSB as i saw on the memory guide on corsairs site, there says that it runs on HT 5x, is it right? I think thats it thats making the system unstable... I have a ASUS A8N32-SLI DELUXE, and it is advertised as 3500LL READY, but its not running at 3500, at least itsnt stable. And here at corsairs site it says its settings would run at HT 5x, even if i think that it makes the system unstable, but well, if its stated this well i want to know how to make it run like this (as follows): http://tools.corsairmemory.com/testreports/report_print.aspx?r_id=10022&p_id=5131&m_id=443 My system is: CPU AMD x2 4800 MOBO ASUS A8N32-SLI DELUXE VGA EVGA 7950 GX2 PSU OCZ GAMEXSTREAM 700w 2x SATAII 400gb 2x IDE DVD-R CPU COOLER ZALMAN 9500 + LED Thanks, Gustavo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 21, 2006 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 21, 2006 Can you tell me the bios settings you have set for both CPU and memory and any performance settings that you may have set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viruskiller Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 AI Overclock Manual CPU FSB 219Mhz SB>NB OC - Manual SB>NB Frequency - 200 PCIe - 100 Peg Link - Disabled Overvolts: Overvoltage HyperTransport Enabled. (1.2v to 1.3v) DDR Vcore - 2.80v FID/VID - change to Manual Processor Freq Multiplier - 11 Processor Volts - 1.325v DDR Skew - Auto 1T/2T - 1T Mem Clock Mode - Manual Mem Clock Value 200 MCT Timing Mode - Manual Memory timings: CS Latency 2.0 TRCD - 3 TRP - 2 TRAS - 6 The others are default. MCT Extra Timing Mode on Auto. K8>NB Freq - 5x K8>NB Link - AUTO SB>NB - 5x SB>NB - 16/16 Disabled everything that i dont use. Thanks, Gustavo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Set your FSB to 200 or your HT to 4X and test. You have your HT at 219 X 5 = 1095 and this can often be too high. AMD's spec is no greater than 1000HT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viruskiller Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 I know that, but see the page i´ve linked on my first post. There says HT = 5x. And if i bought this memory, its because it says "3500LL READY" on my mobo specifications, otherwise i would buy a 3200, with lower latency and better bandwidth... It runs normally at stock, but i want to run it as advertised, i want what i bought, what was advertised, PC3500, running at HT 5x and stable. If it'snt possible, then someone has fooled me, and i want my money back! Thanks again, Gustavo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 The HT has to do with your motherboard, not the DRAM. There is NO guarantee that you can run over 200FSB and a 5X HT multiplier. Please Read: Note: These performance testing results were achieved in our labs by experienced motherboard technicians. However, these test results are influenced by many factors, including board and BIOS revision, benchmark revision, a myriad of BIOS settings, temperature in the lab, and sometimes, it seems, even the weather outside. Please be aware that your results may vary greatly. These test results are provided for your interest and reference, and are not guaranteed in any way. That 3500LL Pro is guaranteed to run 438MHz @ 2-3-2-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viruskiller Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 On Asus Website it advertises "3500LL bla bla bla READY", to me it means that it should run on 3500 with no problems, and as saw on the tests in the link that i posted. Well, to make it clearly, my system has rebooted one time when i first overclocked it, then i'd changed the field "overvoltage HyperTransport" to enabled and changed the vdimm from 2.75 to 2.80. CPU Vcore from 1.3125 to 1.3250. Since then my system SEEMS to be stable. Well, for me it means that with a adequated help, that knows exactly how to configure this RAM on this exactly mobo, it would run as advertised, what happens is that ASUS or maybe Corsair should inform you how to make it run as its advertised when you buy it. Im still waiting for a constructive criticize... Thanks, Gustavo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 The Hypertransport is NOT a function of the DRAM. It is a function of the CPU and Mainboard protocol. The RAM does not effect the HT. Stability or lack of stability on the HT is NOT in any way dependent on the DRAM. What you read was that in house technicians were able to effect a higher than 1000MHz HT. They then go (as read above) to state that there is not and can not be any guarantee to such a tweak since the protocol is the AMD HT processor and the AMD HT chipset and NOT the DRAM. The ram can and will run with Intel FSB and AMD HT. It is not the factor in instability and you could possibly make a 1100MHz HT with stabilty. However, if you do so, you do so regardless of the DRAM and because of the settings you tweak in the BIOS. Hopefully I have made this more clear to you. I understand that there could well be a language issue here. Are you possibly looking for help to be able to find stability on the 1100MHz HTT? I didn't think this was the case as you were saying that Corsair guaranteed this and there is no possibility of that being the case. However, if you want some help to try and get there then I can certainly try to help you. Regards, Derek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viruskiller Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 Okay, i understand you, i guess you dont understand me... What im trying to say is that this ram supports what im trying to do, we both agree. And well, my mobo states the same about running together with this RAM. Now i want the right configuration to make it true, its simple... I understand that the both (mobo & ram) are stated as fully compatible (according ASUS) and this ram can, easily, do what i want. Am i wrong? Thanks, Gustavo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Well, you are not entirely correct. There is no hard and fast guarantee that you will make an ~1100MHz HT and the RAM has absolutely NOTHING to do with the HT. That is where you are misunderstanding. You seem to think that the RAM is a variable in the HT speed and/or it's stability. This is patently in error. The RAM has NO part in the HTT protocol. That you can possibly find stability with 1100MHz HTT is correct, you might well make this HTT speed with stability. You need to raise your HT voltage and Vcore to deal with the added throughput. Raising your Vdimm will not change anything because there is NO added throughput on your DRAM through the HTT raise. It's a matter of doing what you are doing. Tweaking and testing to find stability with your HT. Keep in mind that there is no way that you are going to saturate your HT bandwidth even at 800Mhz let alone 1000 or 1100. So really it is just a waste of time but since you want to do it, well I am sure you can find stability. Download Orthos Prime: http://sp2004.fre3.com/beta/orthos_exe_20060420.cab and run this program for ~8 hours. If you can run this program for 8 hour straight then you are considered "Rock Stable". I run it for 24hours myself though. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viruskiller Posted December 23, 2006 Author Share Posted December 23, 2006 Well, lol, i'm not saying that the ram has something to do with it, its all about the mobo, i know it. But well, its a misunderstood and its a waste of time. Lets talk about whats important, as i said, i'd change the HyperTransport Voltage from 1.2 to 1.3, and the vcore from 1.3125 to 1.3250, the vdimm is on 2.80, im running it 1/1 with CPU at 219mhz, HT 5x. Well, the system seems stable, is that the right configuration? (i know that it changes from cpu to cpu, but is it the "theorical" right config.?) I´d overvoltage the HT to make it run at 1095 with no problem, although i never saw this option and dont really know if i should do that (i did what i found logical), the vdimm i changed because of the ram overclocking, and the vcore because the slight overclock on cpu and the HT frequency overclocking. Is that what i'm supposed to do to try to make the system stable? Thanks, Gustavo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Well, lol, i'm not saying that the ram has something to do with it, its all about the mobo, i know it. But well, its a missunderstood and its a waste of time. Lets talk about whats important, as i said, i'd change the HyperTransport Voltage from 1.2 to 1.3, and the vcore from 1.3125 to 1.3250, the vdimm is on 2.80, im running it 1/1 with CPU at 219mhz, HT 5x. Well, the system seems stable, is that the right configuration? (i know that it changes from cpu to cpu, but is it the "theorical" right config.?) Considering you have such a fast processor anyway, it certainly will improve your speed. You have a 12 X multiplier and 12 X 219 = 2.628GHz. I´d overvoltage the HT to make it run at 1095 with no problem, although i never saw this option and dont really know if i should do that (i did what i found logical), the vdimm i changed because of the ram overclocking, and the vcore because the slight overclock on cpu and the HT frequency overclocking. Is that what i'm supposed to do to try to make the system stable? Well, you are at your HT limit and maybe you have some more DRAM headroom. Hard to say without testing what your maximum dram bandwidth is and your maximum FSB. I would say that you have some more headroom in your CPU though, but with your HT Multiplier at 5X you can't test more FSB before you are over 1100Mhz and then you could easily have issues. Yes, you are pretty much at the limit of your system since your HT Multiplier is so high. Is your system Orthos stable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viruskiller Posted December 23, 2006 Author Share Posted December 23, 2006 Just to make it clear: I`m running the CPU multiplier at 11x, so its almost on stock. Well, i don`t need to run it at the maximum performance (overclock), i just want to run the RAM on 438 FSB +/-, and if possible with HT 5x, and thats it. :) Sorry but what you mean by "Orthos" stable? Another question, is this ram capable of run 200mhz at 2-2-2-5-2 timmings? I`m thinking of try to run it at 250mhz at HT 4x and CPU Multiplier 10x, at the stock timmings. Would it be more secure than overloading the HT to 1095 and overvoltaging it? Thanks again, Gustavo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 Sorry but what you mean by "Orthos" stable? Orthos is a program that uses iterations of prime numbers to run the CPU and subsystem at full usage. If it errors, then the system is not considered stable. Download Orthos Stress Prime: http://sp2004.fre3.com/beta/orthos_exe_20060420.cab Another question, is this ram capable of run 200mhz at 2-2-2-5-2 timmings? I`m thinking of try to run it at 250mhz at HT 4x and CPU Multiplier 10x, at the stock timmings. Would it be more secure than overloading the HT to 1095 and overvoltaging it? If it was my choice, I would set the FSB to 245, the HT to 4X and the multiplier at 11 with stock timings. I would memtest to ensure the ram runs stable and then run Orthos for ~8 hours. This would be running your CPU at ~2.7Ghz which should cause no problems with your setup. That would be what I would do. Given the two choices you have given me though, then I would run at 250MHz, HT at 4X and the CPU multiplier at 10X with stock timings. That would be faster than your current setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viruskiller Posted December 23, 2006 Author Share Posted December 23, 2006 What voltages/settings you recommend for me to try for a config. 250 or 245 x 11x or 10x? Can i try it at stock timmings? What vcore? What vdimm? Any others settings that i must change? I know you cant tell me the exactly right config. but i know you can guess something that may be useful, i presume. The tests made on lab says they got a max of 230mhz on adv. timmings. Do you think it can do 250 at stock timmings? I suppose that the CPU mult. has nothing to do with the max. overclock of the memory in stock times, does it? I know that the mem. controller is on the cpu, but i guess it maybe influences the ram overclock, but not the timmings it can get at higher clocks, am i wrong? Thanks, Gustavo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 26, 2006 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 26, 2006 Please follow the link in my signature for the tested settings of your modules! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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