boulee Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Have tried to enable EPP in the BIOS with out succsess. I think I may have screwed up ram (Bad SPD) because regardless of what EPP setting I use, (0% - 5%, or expert) memory timing stays at 5-5-5-18. the frquency goes up from 800 to 1066, but the timing doesn't change. I have aslo tried setting the memory voltage to Auto and 2.2V manualy with no luck. Any time I have tried to enable EPP, upon reboot and post; 1 long beep and "C1" error code on the to 7 segment displays on the motherboard. I believe that this signifies a memory error. have to jumper the BIOS Reset pin to get the comp to boot again. The sticks are mounted in DIM Slots 0 and 1 (the blue ones) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 21, 2006 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 21, 2006 What program are you using to see the timings? I would try CPU-Z and look at the memory Tab! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulee Posted December 21, 2006 Author Share Posted December 21, 2006 The program im using is the BIOS. when I enable EPP in the bios, every thing changes to what it should be except for the timing and voltage. I am currently running the P21 BIOS. and what it comes down to is that any memory setting other that stock Bios settings cause a C1 memory error at boot up and post. I thought I could just enable EPP and be done with it and I guess I was wrong. The problem simplified is : enable EPP in the bios ----> save and exit bios----> reboots with a "C1 Memory Error" post code. 3 possabilities i came across at the evga forums is to: 1) get 1 "starter stick" of DDR2 Ram rated at 1.8 or 1.9 volts. Boot into bios with this, then exit & save and replace with the 2.2v 1066 sticks 2) reflash the BIOS with P21. then shut down and jumper the BIOS pins and remove the battery for 30-60 minuts. 3) Install the Ram in the black slots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulee Posted December 21, 2006 Author Share Posted December 21, 2006 Got a link to this page on the evga forums. http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1129333 "Redbeard Official Corsair Rep." claims that "there were a small number that left the factory with an SPD error due to a faulty SPD writer." Evidently the SPD error sets the spd to 0-5-5-15. and he gave a link to : http://corsairmemory.com/labimages/8500c5fix.zip I'll load CPU-z when I get home from work tonight and see what the SPD file looks like before I download and run the .zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 21, 2006 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 21, 2006 That is for the older 8500C5 not for these modules DO NOT RUN that fix it might not solve anything! And the bios may not report the correct setting try CPU-Z and see what it says! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulee Posted December 21, 2006 Author Share Posted December 21, 2006 ok will do. I belive I have a copy of cpu z on a disk I got with a maximum pc mag that I got. I was just going off of what other people with the same ram on the EVGA forum said and that post with the link to the zip. so the rep is wrong when he says: 12-06-2006, 12:17 PM #9 Redbeard Official Corsair Rep. Quote: Originally Posted by LgEnder Doesn't matter that that SPD image given isn't Dominator? The SPD on dominator and non-dominator modules is the same except for the name field. The actual value are identical. Keep in mind this will only work with 8500C5 parts, and nothing else. Also, if you have non-8500C5 parts and use this file, you'll likely screw up your memory and also be out of warranty. This will not void the warranty on 8500C5 parts, though, since there were a small number that left the factory with an SPD error due to a faulty SPD writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 21, 2006 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 21, 2006 You do not have an 8500C5 you have 8500C5D and its not the same part. Please just try what I said and lets make sure first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulee Posted December 21, 2006 Author Share Posted December 21, 2006 ok, will do. its 3pm eastern here, and I should be getting home around 6pm. I'll post a screen shot as soon as i get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulee Posted December 21, 2006 Author Share Posted December 21, 2006 Well I just down loaded and ran CPU-Z. and the SPD on both sticks has the CAS# Latency set to 0.0 What next RAM GUY? http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g275/boulee82/CPU-ZRAMSlot2.jpg http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g275/boulee82/CPU-ZRAMSlot1.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 22, 2006 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 22, 2006 You are looking in the worng place, please look under the memory Tab to see what the system is actually running! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulee Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 So having a value of 0.0 in my SPD is ok? I have a hard time believing that. Here are my settings. they are the ones that come up after I clear the BIOS. http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g275/boulee82/memorytab.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulee Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 I also grabed PC Wizard 2006 from the makers of CPU-Z. this is what is has as far as memory info: General Information : A0 (RAS 0, RAS 1) : 1024 (Double Bank) A1 (RAS 2, RAS 3) : 1024 (Double Bank) A2 : Empty A3 : Empty Information SPD EEPROM (A0) : Manufacturer : Corsair Part Number : CM2X1024-8500C5D Serial Number : Unspecified Type : DDR2-SDRAM PC2-6400 (399 MHz) Format : Regular UDIMM (133.35 x 3) Size : 1024 MB (0 rows, 2 banks) Module Buffered : No Module Registered : No Module EPP : Yes Width : 64-bit Error Correction Capability : No Max. Burst Length : 0 Refresh : Reduced (.5x)7.8 µs, Self Refresh Voltage : SSTL 1.8v Prefetch Buffer : 4-bit Manufacture : Week 255 of 2255 Supported Frequencies : 270 MHz, 400 MHz CAS Latency (tCL) : 4 clocks @270 MHz, 5 clocks @400 MHz RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 4 clocks @270 MHz, 5 clocks @400 MHz RAS Precharge (tRP) : 4 clocks @270 MHz, 5 clocks @400 MHz Cycle Time (tRAS) : 13 clocks @270 MHz, 18 clocks @400 MHz Min TRC : 15 clocks @270 MHz, 22 clocks @400 MHz EPP Profile Type : Full Performance Profiles : 2 Voltage Level (P1) : 0V Address Command Rate (P1) : 0T Cycle Time (P1) : 0ns @1.#INF MHz CAS Latency (tCL) (P1) : 0 clocks Voltage Level (P2) : 0V Address Command Rate (P2) : 0T Cycle Time (P2) : 0ns @1.#INF MHz CAS Latency (tCL) (P2) : 0 clocks Information SPD EEPROM (A1) : Manufacturer : Corsair Part Number : CM2X1024-8500C5D Serial Number : Unspecified Type : DDR2-SDRAM PC2-6400 (399 MHz) Format : Regular UDIMM (133.35 x 3) Size : 1024 MB (0 rows, 2 banks) Module Buffered : No Module Registered : No Module EPP : Yes Width : 64-bit Error Correction Capability : No Max. Burst Length : 0 Refresh : Reduced (.5x)7.8 µs, Self Refresh Voltage : SSTL 1.8v Prefetch Buffer : 4-bit Manufacture : Week 255 of 2255 Supported Frequencies : 270 MHz, 400 MHz CAS Latency (tCL) : 4 clocks @270 MHz, 5 clocks @400 MHz RAS to CAS (tRCD) : 4 clocks @270 MHz, 5 clocks @400 MHz RAS Precharge (tRP) : 4 clocks @270 MHz, 5 clocks @400 MHz Cycle Time (tRAS) : 13 clocks @270 MHz, 18 clocks @400 MHz Min TRC : 15 clocks @270 MHz, 22 clocks @400 MHz EPP Profile Type : Full Performance Profiles : 2 Voltage Level (P1) : 4.975V Address Command Rate (P1) : 2T Cycle Time (P1) : 15ns @66.66666 MHz CAS Latency (tCL) (P1) : 0 clocks RAS to CAS (tRCD) (P1) : 5 clocks RAS Precharge (tRP) (P1) : 5 clocks Cycle Time (tRAS) (P1) : 17 clocks tRC (P1) : 17 clocks tWR (P1) : 5 clocks Voltage Level (P2) : 2.2V Address Command Rate (P2) : 2T Cycle Time (P2) : 1.875ns @533.3333 MHz CAS Latency (tCL) (P2) : 0 clocks RAS to CAS (tRCD) (P2) : 5 clocks RAS Precharge (tRP) (P2) : 5 clocks Cycle Time (tRAS) (P2) : 15 clocks tRC (P2) : 30 clocks tWR (P2) : 8 clocks Memory Controller Information : Memory Controller : Standard, EDO Number of connectors : 4 Max. Module Size : 32 MB Max. Memory Size : 128 MB Supported Speed : 70ns, 60ns Supported Voltages : 5v Error Detection Method : No Error Correction Capability : Unspecified Current/Supported Interleave : 1-way/1-way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 22, 2006 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 22, 2006 That tells me the SPD is correct and just that CPU-Z is miss reading it for what ever reason. If you enable EPP in the bios does it run the memory rpoperly is what I was asking you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulee Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 no it doesn't. I stated that in my first post. Any time I have tried to enable EPP, upon reboot and post; 1 long beep and "C1" error code on the to 7 segment displays on the motherboard. I believe that this signifies a memory error. have to jumper the BIOS Reset pin to get the comp to boot again. What about this: The cas latency in the EPP profile is 0. wouldn't that explain why my comp wont boot when I enable EPP in the BIOS. EPP Profile Type : Full Performance Profiles : 2 Voltage Level (P1) : 4.975V Address Command Rate (P1) : 2T Cycle Time (P1) : 15ns @66.66666 MHz CAS Latency (tCL) (P1) : 0 clocks RAS to CAS (tRCD) (P1) : 5 clocks RAS Precharge (tRP) (P1) : 5 clocks Cycle Time (tRAS) (P1) : 17 clocks tRC (P1) : 17 clocks tWR (P1) : 5 clocks Voltage Level (P2) : 2.2V Address Command Rate (P2) : 2T Cycle Time (P2) : 1.875ns @533.3333 MHz CAS Latency (tCL) (P2) : 0 clocks RAS to CAS (tRCD) (P2) : 5 clocks RAS Precharge (tRP) (P2) : 5 clocks Cycle Time (tRAS) (P2) : 15 clocks tRC (P2) : 30 clocks tWR (P2) : 8 clocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 22, 2006 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 22, 2006 NO it does not but we can try replacing your module if that will make you like Please use the On Line RMA Request Form and we will be happy to replace them or it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulee Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 so what does that mean? I need to send you my modules first and not be able to use my comp for 2-3 weeks? or do you send me new ones first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 22, 2006 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 22, 2006 It tells me that this program is still buggy and or is not reading the chipset properly just like CPU-Z if the modules did not have any information in the SPD it would not post at all and the fact when you load setup defaults the SPD timings are getting set properly. But like I said what happens when you enable EPP ready memory what does CPU-Z say under the Memory Tab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulee Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 what happens when I enable EPP in my BIOS is THE COMP WON'T BOOT How can I tell you what CPU-Z says after I enable EPP, if when EPP is enabled, the computer will not pass POST. All the screan shots I have taken has been with UNMODIFIED bios settings. When I asked what does that mean, I was refering to the RMA process Corsair uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 22, 2006 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 22, 2006 Then lets try replacing your modules, or you can try that fix if you like and see if that solves the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulee Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 if I try that fix and it doesn't work or kills my ram, will I still be able to RMA them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 22, 2006 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 22, 2006 Yes just let customer know about this thread if there is any questions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boulee Posted December 22, 2006 Author Share Posted December 22, 2006 well I ran "that fix" and It worked. http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g275/boulee82/NewSlot1.jpg http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g275/boulee82/NewSlot2.jpg http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g275/boulee82/NewMemTab.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted December 23, 2006 Corsair Employees Share Posted December 23, 2006 Great and I am happy its working now, so you have EPP working correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekT Posted December 23, 2006 Share Posted December 23, 2006 And that's why he is called "RamGuy" :D: :headbang: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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