dopex Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Hello everybody out there! I'm David, i'm new to this forum and i hope that there is someone outthere who can help me. I found this forum cauz of my problems with my system. Yes, i used the board search function, and i spent about 3 days on reading topics that includes information on my system conf and so on... i tried nearly everything but it wont worke... so now atm im really frustrated and would like to hit my damn computer with a big hammer ;-) Ok, my problems are the RAM. You can view my sys conf from my signature... its not possible to archiev more than 200 MHZ FSB, not with 2,5-3-3-7 or 3-4-4-8..... i know that the CPU isn't the limiting faktor cause atm ive run my 3200 @ 2400 mhz with a 3:2 divider (yes, the RAMs are at 200 MHZ) and a HTT of 1000 and a core voltage of 1,5. My RAM's have the follwing configuration: CAS: 2 RAS to CAS (TRCD): 2 RAS to RAS (TrrD): 2 Row precharge time (Trp): 2 write revoery time (twr): 3 min ras active time (tras) 7 row ciycle time (trc): 10 row refresh cycle time (trfc): 11 write to read delay time (twtr): 1 read to write delay time (trtw): 3 refresh rate (tref): 166 mHZ 3.9us write cas latency (twcl) : 1 read write queue bypass: 8x controller mode: 128bit ecc mode: disabeld 2t timing: enable bypass max: 4x max async latency: 7ns read paramle: 6.0ns idle cycle limit: 16clks dynamic idle cycle counter: enable memclk frequency: 166 Ram Voltage: Auto I tried so much, ram voltage on 2,8 and 2,5-3-3-7 but nothing, it's completly unstable. i also chanched the ram slots (from 1A, 1B to 2A, 2B, dual mode all the time) I've seen a few people who achived with the same hardware conf as mine ~220 MHZ FSB, the max stable core was 205 MHZ fsb :-( Ah, before i forget, the first ram ive used were the TWINX4400 PC550 CL2... with this ram it was the same story... not over 205 mhz stable... could it be that my mobo is damaged in any kind of way? It was also strange, when i tested my system with MEMTEST... the ram was ok at 220MHz (test duration was 10 mins).. but in windows with super-pi i always get "NOT CONVERGENT IN SQR" and the nice bluescreens (page fault, 0x00000008) i thank you all very much, for your help! Before i forgett,i use the 1014.800 biso version, i also tried 1015 but the same problems... should i use 1009? Ciao David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry6743 Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 You could try increasing the Vdimm for your RAM. Check with the Corsair web site anf find their recommended voltage for that particular RAM. Mine has to run at 2.75v as the stock suggested Vdimm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wired Posted November 7, 2005 Share Posted November 7, 2005 They're all warrantied up to, but not over, 2.9 volts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopex Posted November 7, 2005 Author Share Posted November 7, 2005 thank you for your postings, but i've already tried.... the most i can get out of my A8V Deluxe is 2,8.. and with this vdimm the ram are also unstable... i'm really frustrated, i'm thinking of going and buy some crusial ram, ive heard they are better in combination with the a8v... i also forgot to say that i'm using the newest 4in1 drivers(i think 5.x or someting like that).... but that shouldn't be the problem or ?(cauz sometimes the system also crash while booting the OS) Ciao David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopex Posted November 7, 2005 Author Share Posted November 7, 2005 this night i figured out that when i have 2T Enabeld i cant boot into windows. with disabeld no problem.. there i get 4700mb/s @ sandra, when i enable it right in windows via the a64 tweaker, i get 5245mb/s... so how is this possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted November 8, 2005 Corsair Employees Share Posted November 8, 2005 Please test the modules one at a time with this set it to 1T to make sure its not one of the modules. But this is common with these newer CPU's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopex Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 Hello! Today I tested my rams as following: Only 1 RAM at a time @ 1T -> stable (sandra: 3000 mb/s) 2 RAMs @ single -> wont even boot into bios 2 Rams @ dual @ 1T -> unstable (sandra: 5600 mb/s, crashs after 1-2 mins) The only way to get my RAM stable is 2 RAMs @ dual @ 2T -> stable (sandra: 4600 mb/s) But i think this score sucks.... So please can anyone tell me if this is normal? Im now at the end of my knowledge.. i really tried everything, different settings, different memmory (corsair xms4400 & xms3200) but nothing works, its not even possible to overclock just 1 Mhz,... thats crazy... Im very disappointed by Asus, i never had such a complicated motherboard,... also it semms to me that i'm not the only one with these kind of problems, so i ask you, can you give me a good advice,which motherboard or what rams i could buy to get a nice overclock (RAMs that could handle 240MHZ FSB would be allready great enough). So then,...:[pouts: :[pouts: :[pouts: David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted November 8, 2005 Corsair Employees Share Posted November 8, 2005 If both modules will run and pass http://www.memtest.org running them one up at 1T then more than likely the bios on your MB just needs to mature a bit more. I would check the asus taiwan FTP site for the latest beta bios and see if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopex Posted November 8, 2005 Author Share Posted November 8, 2005 mhm, i was on the taiwan site from asus, and its the same one like in austria, germany, china.... the only difference is: it's harder to read *lol* i allready flashed my bios to 1015.002, and formyself it semmed to be more unstable than with the 1014... however.... i got two last questions: Is there such a big difference between 200 and 240 mhz fsb for the ram, or are that only some frames in a game.... would be the DFI Lanparty 3 with the corsair 4400cl2 a good choice? thanks for your advices in advance david Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted November 9, 2005 Corsair Employees Share Posted November 9, 2005 They should run great in the DFI MB, but it may take a bit of tweaking in the bios. You can see what one of the review sites have done with these modules and this MB with some creative cooling. And the Taiwan site is their main and the only one I would get a beta bios from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopex Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 I now realized that there are 2 dif.. version of the dfi nf2, the one i was talking about is the 939 version ;-) Tweaking in the Bios is from now on no problem ;-) Through my ASUS a8v i learned really much about ram overclocking ^^. with creative cooling you mean LN2 or is water-cooling creative enough? Cya David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted November 9, 2005 Corsair Employees Share Posted November 9, 2005 They were using refrigeration with their setup as I remember super cold like sub freezing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopex Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 So, i thank you very much RAM guy for your help! Im now really thinking of changing my motherboard, but before i make the same mistake again i will read a lot more about the dfi nf3 than ive done on my a8v ;-) The only think i now want to know: Are the Corsair Twinx3200XL working fine together with the nf3 (~240 MHZ FSB) and wich Memory runs stable on the A8V, and has a good overclocking potental? The best think would be to buy the nf3 and twinx4400, but it's also the way with the most work ;-) (changing mobo in completly watercooled system take ours) And changing ram is very fast done ;-) Many thanks in advance, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted November 9, 2005 Corsair Employees Share Posted November 9, 2005 Early NF3 MB's did not have a working AGP/PCI lock, but if they do they as I remember topped out about 220-230 MHz on average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopex Posted November 9, 2005 Author Share Posted November 9, 2005 Yeah I Did it,... i am now stabel at T1 !!!!! Big thanks to mice183 from computerbase.de http://www.computerbase.de/forum/showthread.php?t=119898&page=44 with his settings im now running my corsair at 2-2-2-5-1 ;-) Sandra: 5860 MB/s thats fine or?` By the way,.. i gues the failure that i have made was that i disabeld hardware memory hole ;-) also a big thanks to RAM GUY ;-) The only disadvantage is now that its not possible to overclock the Cosair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsair Employees RAM GUY Posted November 9, 2005 Corsair Employees Share Posted November 9, 2005 I would try replaxing the timings and see what you can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick1114 Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 dope (or RAM Guy)... I'm having a similar problem with same RAM/Motherboard combo. How did you finally solve the problem...I clicked the link and it's in German! Can you explain in english what finally did it? I'd like to get my RAM to work at 2-2-2-5-1T without errors. Thanks, Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopex Posted December 21, 2005 Author Share Posted December 21, 2005 Advanced HT Frequency = 1000 Mhz HT DATA Width (Upstream) = 16 Bit HT DATA Width (Downstream) = 16 Bit Advanced - Memory Configuration Memclock Mode = Limit Memclock to CPU Ratio = 2:1 (DDR 400) Hardware Memory Hole = Enabled Bank Interleaving = Enabled Burst Length = 4 Beats MCT Timing Mode = Manual CAS Latency CL = 2.0 TRAS = 5 TRP = 2 TRCD = 2 TRRD = 2T TRC = Auto TRFC = Auto TRWT = Auto TWCL = Auto TWR = Auto Async Lat = Auto Read Preamble Setting = Auto 2T Command = Disabled Advanced - Cool N’ Quiet Configuration Cool N’ Quiet = Enabled Advanced - AGP Chipset Configuration Primary Graphics Adapter = AGP Search for MDA Resources = Yes VLINK 8X supported = Enabled AGP Mode = 8x AGP Fast Write = Disabled Graphics Aperture Size = 64MB AGP 3.0 Calibration Cycle = Enabled DBI Output for AGP Trans = Disabled Advanced - South Chipset Configuration MPS Revision = 1.4 PCI Delay Transaction = Disabled Advanced – Advanced PCI/PnP Settings Plug and Play OS = YES PCI Latency Timer = 64 Allocate IRQ to PCI VGA = NO Palette Snooping = Disabled Advanced – Config System Frequency/Voltage AI Overclocking = Manual CPU FSB = 200Mhz AGP/PCI Frequency = Auto DDR Voltage = 2.7V AGP Voltage = 1.5V V-Link Voltage = 2.5V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick1114 Posted December 21, 2005 Share Posted December 21, 2005 THANKS!!!! :biggrin: (Since your problem was solved I though my chances of getting you was slim to none) I'll give it whirl tonight. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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