Phanteks D30's RGB control via iCue?

[AxelXyfer]

Hi there~
Hoping someone can help me out or send me in the right direction.
I should start by saying I'm not uber-smart when it comes to PC terms and know-how!

I recently upgraded to the new Phanteks D30 fans, (Link), and am in love with them, however I miss controlling my fans RGB effects with iCue.
My previous fans were the fans that come with the Elite Capellix AIO, (Link), and some other Noctua fans to hold over while saving for the D30's before they were released.

I'm currently using MSI's Mystic Light as they are daisy chained off each other and then plugged into a JRainbow port. (MSI Mobo)
I hate it comparison... 😞
I miss the lighting effects you can create using layers and timings etc... nothing compares..
To echo and clarify, I'm just looking to control the RGB via iCue, I control fan curves using FanControl (Perfect for my simple brain haha).

I have the Elite Capellix AIO, which comes with the Commander Core and is in my build so I can control the Capellix ofc. The previous fans were plugged into that, hence I used iCue with them.
So, I'm assuming I may need to purchase a controller or some sort of lighting hub, such as the corsair lighting node pro, (Link)? and then I would need adapter cables for it?? Or would I need the Phanteks DRGB Controller, (Link)???

The D30's wires are JST-SM connections, (I could be wrong, I'm just learning all this lingo for this post to be honest!), and in the box they include a JST-SM -> Mobo adapter cable.
So currently, as mentioned, I have them daisy chained off each other and plugged into the Mobo using the provided adapter cable. iCue can't see them.
I'm assuming that means they must be plugged into a corsair controller first? Or if I purchased the phanteks one, would iCue pick it up?

Thank you for taking the time to read my sloppy post!!
Sorry for being such a mess, I'm a bit confused myself, if not obvious. haha 😅
To shorten, I'm basically asking if anyone could tell me what I need to purchase/do to control the Phanteks Fans RGB in iCue... please! 😭

Links-
My build (incase it helps): https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/PvW4Kp (DON'T JUDGE MY NAMING SCHEME GO AWAY >:c)
D30 Fans with box cables contents: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/phanteks-d30-120mm-drgb-pwm-triple-fan-pack-white-fg-03e-pt.html

Also a pic of my build for context of pretty c:

[c-attack]

On 6/7/2023 at 5:27 PM, AxelXyfer said:

So currently, as mentioned, I have them daisy chained off each other and plugged into the Mobo using the provided adapter cable. iCue can't see them.
I'm assuming that means they must be plugged into a corsair controller first? Or if I purchased the phanteks one, would iCue pick it up?

In it's current form, the RGB connector must go to the motherboard and controlled though your motherboard software.  In order to interact with CUE, it would need an adapter to connect to a "Corsair fan RGB header".  These do exist, but I am not sure it will work in this situation.  The problem is each fan has 30 LEDs, so a chain of 3, 6, or 9 would have 90, 180, or 270 LEDs on the string.  That is more than a single RGB fan header can manage.  In theory, this should work on a device with an "LED channel", like the Lighting Node Pro, Commander Pro, or Commander XT.  However, you likely would need to set it up as external LS100 strips in order to get the maximum number of LEDs.  This also would require a special adapter and an additional controller.  The Commander Core can't do this.  

 

Do you have PWM control over them?  On that model the PWM speed is a separate wire and standardized.  It should connect to any of the Commander Core PWM side headers and be controllable through CUE.  However, the first person to post about the D30 fans stated the Commander Core could not auto-detect the PWM side and was having difficulties.  That is the only feedback I've seen so far.  

 

The PWM speed control side should work, but all fans are going to run the same speed.  The RGB side is likely more trouble than it's worth unless you already have an extra LNPro, Commander Pro, Commander XT lying around.  Then it's just the adapter.  We are in a transitional phase into the unified controller phase of this stuff and Corsair's version will hit the market later this month.  There are going to be some control issues between the older individual type controllers and the new unified products.  

[AxelXyfer]

17 hours ago, c-attack said:

In it's current form, the RGB connector must go to the motherboard and controlled though your motherboard software.  In order to interact with CUE, it would need an adapter to connect to a "Corsair fan RGB header".  These do exist, but I am not sure it will work in this situation.  The problem is each fan has 30 LEDs, so a chain of 3, 6, or 9 would have 90, 180, or 270 LEDs on the string.  That is more than a single RGB fan header can manage.  In theory, this should work on a device with an "LED channel", like the Lighting Node Pro, Commander Pro, or Commander XT.  However, you likely would need to set it up as external LS100 strips in order to get the maximum number of LEDs.  This also would require a special adapter and an additional controller.  The Commander Core can't do this.  

 

Do you have PWM control over them?  On that model the PWM speed is a separate wire and standardized.  It should connect to any of the Commander Core PWM side headers and be controllable through CUE.  However, the first person to post about the D30 fans stated the Commander Core could not auto-detect the PWM side and was having difficulties.  That is the only feedback I've seen so far.  

 

The PWM speed control side should work, but all fans are going to run the same speed.  The RGB side is likely more trouble than it's worth unless you already have an extra LNPro, Commander Pro, Commander XT lying around.  Then it's just the adapter.  We are in a transitional phase into the unified controller phase of this stuff and Corsair's version will hit the market later this month.  There are going to be some control issues between the older individual type controllers and the new unified products.  

Currently I'm running all the PWM speed control's staight into their own direct mobo connections (well, per chain of 3).
I control my fan speeds using FanControl, so I'm not worried about any control or fan speed side of things! Just the RGB control; ideally in iCue... I think you're right tho, I think it may be more trouble than it's worth...

I did some research and figured out that the LED's are mirrored, so some of them are just copying another, if that makes sense?
As in... they aren't all unique, some of them are just "clones" if you get me.
Reckon that makes it more likely to be possible?

I'm honestly surprised nobody has wanted to control these via iCue... I've seen some LianLi fans being controlled via iCue with the daisy chaining connections for sets of fans (3x 3 linked fans, like my setup), and it seemed to work!
My hesitation was that I know there's more LED's and to be honest, I'm just not as tech-savy! 😅

Thanks for your reply btw 😄

Edited June 11 by AxelXyfer
forgot to reply

[c-attack]

5 hours ago, AxelXyfer said:

Currently I'm running all the PWM speed control's staight into their own direct mobo connections (well, per chain of 3).

Ok.  I was curious if it worked at all. Last person was unable to control when directly connected. Unclear if that was a unique issue or a PWM incompatibility. 
 

5 hours ago, AxelXyfer said:

did some research and figured out that the LED's are mirrored, so some of them are just copying another, if that makes sense?

It may. I have the Lian Li setup. I preferred to run it from its own program because of the unique led arrangement, but I’ll put it on with an adapter and see. Yeah, most of these physically connected fans have some limits despite what you might think. The Lian Li models are 6 fans max in a chain (like current Corsair models) and very frustratingly can only power and control 3 fans per controller unless the software is running. It’s hardly the 16 fan chain implied. Really 4x4. The new CUE Link fans are supposed to be 14 chained addressable, internal devices. We’ll have to see.
 

Where I am a bit concerned is on the led max. 9x30=270. That’s beyond the limit of a single Corsair led channel. Possible this requires 2 channels. A lighting node pro has two, but there it has a lower limit than other devices and will shutdown channel 2 when channel 1 has too many LEDs. 

Edited June 11 by c-attack

[c-attack]

I connected the 4 SL v2 fans I have and ran it through an LED port on a Commander Core.  These fans work quite well since they are "twin sided" 16 LED fans.  Each side is a duplicate of the other, so for RGB purposes it is 16 LEDs.  That works out since you can set them as LL fans and most effects work normally.  

 

The issue with the D30 is they supposedly have 30 LEDs in a "high density" arrangement.  QL fans can be 34 LEDs, but I am not sure how that will translate.  It's possible you may have to set it as the LS100 external strips in order to generate a long line of 180 LEDs.  The strip setting will have less effects than something like a QL or LL fan.  

[AxelXyfer]

On 6/11/2023 at 11:58 AM, c-attack said:

Ok.  I was curious if it worked at all. Last person was unable to control when directly connected. Unclear if that was a unique issue or a PWM incompatibility. 

Yeah yeah! Full, 100% control! 😄 Each using the adapter to mobo that they come with (2 per triple pack box) and just straight in!

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Apologies for being away for so long, went on holiday with my family. 🙂
I feel that would work too but wanted to make 100% sure so I wasn't spending money for things to not work, you know?
Maybe I should wait and see if somebody else does a similar set up and how they managed to do it etc?

[Sedare]

On 6/7/2023 at 4:27 PM, AxelXyfer said:

Hi there~
Hoping someone can help me out or send me in the right direction.
I should start by saying I'm not uber-smart when it comes to PC terms and know-how!

I recently upgraded to the new Phanteks D30 fans, (Link), and am in love with them, however I miss controlling my fans RGB effects with iCue.
My previous fans were the fans that come with the Elite Capellix AIO, (Link), and some other Noctua fans to hold over while saving for the D30's before they were released.

I'm currently using MSI's Mystic Light as they are daisy chained off each other and then plugged into a JRainbow port. (MSI Mobo)
I hate it comparison... 😞
I miss the lighting effects you can create using layers and timings etc... nothing compares..
To echo and clarify, I'm just looking to control the RGB via iCue, I control fan curves using FanControl (Perfect for my simple brain haha).

I have the Elite Capellix AIO, which comes with the Commander Core and is in my build so I can control the Capellix ofc. The previous fans were plugged into that, hence I used iCue with them.
So, I'm assuming I may need to purchase a controller or some sort of lighting hub, such as the corsair lighting node pro, (Link)? and then I would need adapter cables for it?? Or would I need the Phanteks DRGB Controller, (Link)???

The D30's wires are JST-SM connections, (I could be wrong, I'm just learning all this lingo for this post to be honest!), and in the box they include a JST-SM -> Mobo adapter cable.
So currently, as mentioned, I have them daisy chained off each other and plugged into the Mobo using the provided adapter cable. iCue can't see them.
I'm assuming that means they must be plugged into a corsair controller first? Or if I purchased the phanteks one, would iCue pick it up?

Thank you for taking the time to read my sloppy post!!
Sorry for being such a mess, I'm a bit confused myself, if not obvious. haha 😅
To shorten, I'm basically asking if anyone could tell me what I need to purchase/do to control the Phanteks Fans RGB in iCue... please! 😭

Links-
My build (incase it helps): https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/PvW4Kp (DON'T JUDGE MY NAMING SCHEME GO AWAY >:c)
D30 Fans with box cables contents: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/phanteks-d30-120mm-drgb-pwm-triple-fan-pack-white-fg-03e-pt.html

Also a pic of my build for context of pretty 😄

You're in LUCK!

Pirate Dog has an adapter that will allow you to control these via the Commander Core XT. This way you'll be able to control the PWM + RGB. You'll just set up the fans as LED strips.

https://piratedog.tech/collections/rgb-adapters/products/corsair-rgb-fan-to-aura-mystic-light-motherboard-a-rgb-adapter

 

I bought 10 of them (as I also have a bunch of EKWB LED strips for my blocks, distro and 1 for the Dynamic XL strip). They are a bit pricey but being able to control everything in 1 software is nice.

I wish Corsair would just make a damn box like the commander core XT that took standard ARGB plugs. What is so difficult about this? Then we just set them up as strips or input X lights per channel up to Y amount.

Edited June 21 by Sedare