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I'm new to the forum and also new to building rigs. Did one quite some time ago but my buddy walked me through it all and I learned but still am very green and this will be my first completely on my own.

I'm going to be using the H150i Elite AIO and I'm also going to be running 9 fans.

I know that the Commander Core must be utilized with the AIO and that it comes with it. I'm also getting a Commander Pro to power the other 6 fans because I don't want splitters and adding additional voltage to the Commander Core.

I've got concerns about setting it all up.

I think I have a good or decent starting handle on it but I would GREATLY appreciate your help.

The AIO comes with 3 ML120 fans that will be ran with the Commander Core. Essentially the AIO plugs into the Commander Core and it ALSO plugs into a fan port on the motherboard (ASUS X570-E) - that is the only two plugins for the pump and no SATA or anything, correct? Or a SATA that goes to PSU also?

The 3 ML120 fans for the radiator will plug into the Commander Core for both power and RGB. The Commander Core will then plug into a SATA connection for PSU and also a USB header on the mobo, correct? No other connections for the Commander Core I believe.

The Commander Pro will be utilized for my 6 QL140 fans (want to keep fan types separate and also don't want too many on one controller).

For the Commander Pro all 6 fans will  plug into it for power. Then each fan will also plug into the Lighting Node Controller that comes with my QL140 fans, right? The Lighting Node Controller does NOT get a SATA connection or a USB header connection? However, it does plug into one of the internal USB header spots on the Commander Pro I believe. The Commander Pro will then plug into a SATA connection as well as a USB header on the mobo, right? No other connections for the Commander Pro?

So between the Commander Core and the Commander Pro I would only need 2 USB headers on my mobo? I've been reading the manual of mobo and looking at diagrams and I think I only have 2 USB headers on the mobo. If I need more I know I would need a splitter. I don't think I will need more though because the USB ports on the front of my case look like they plug into different sockets on my mobo similar to the way the headphones jack and audio has its own.

  • Thermaltake View 71 Case
  • ASUS X570-E mobo
  • Ryzen 5900x
  • EVGA RTX-3080ti FTW3 ULTRA GAMING
  • EVGA Supernova G5 1000w PSU
  • Western Digital 2TB SN850 m.2
  • Corsair H150i ELITE AIO system
  • 6 additional Corsair QL140 fans
  • G Skill Trident Z NEO 32GB (16x2) 3600 cl-14

Thank you in advance for your help and you have no idea how much I would appreciate advice.

Take care!

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The AIO comes with 3 ML120 fans that will be ran with the Commander Core. Essentially the AIO plugs into the Commander Core and it ALSO plugs into a fan port on the motherboard (ASUS X570-E) - that is the only two plugins for the pump and no SATA or anything, correct? Or a SATA that goes to PSU also?

You'll have a SATA connection from the Commander Core. That's it. The Commander Core supplies power to the cooler - which is why you have to have the Commander Core.

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The Commander Pro will be utilized for my 6 QL140 fans (want to keep fan types separate and also don't want too many on one controller).

Not having too many on one controller is a good thing. Another option that you have is to use a SATA powered repeater/PWM Hub. All of the fans on the hub would run at the same speed but it's a good, easy way to do that. When it comes to PWM control, you don't have to worry about mixing them either but putting the same kind of fans on the PWM hub is a good idea (so they match speeds).

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For the Commander Pro all 6 fans will  plug into it for power. Then each fan will also plug into the Lighting Node Controller that comes with my QL140 fans, right? The Lighting Node Controller does NOT get a SATA connection or a USB header connection? However, it does plug into one of the internal USB header spots on the Commander Pro I believe. The Commander Pro will then plug into a SATA connection as well as a USB header on the mobo, right? No other connections for the Commander Pro?

The QL fans come with a Lighting Node Core. This is a standalone RGB controller with SATA and USB connections. If it connects to the Commander Pro at all, it'd be connected to the USB ports. Take a look at the RGB FAQ linked in my signature. If you want to control the fan RGB from the Commander Pro, you'd need to add a Fan Hub (https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Custom-Cooling/Accessories/CORSAIR-RGB-Fan-LED-Hub/p/CO-8950020).

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So between the Commander Core and the Commander Pro I would only need 2 USB headers on my mobo? I've been reading the manual of mobo and looking at diagrams and I think I only have 2 USB headers on the mobo. If I need more I know I would need a splitter. I don't think I will need more though because the USB ports on the front of my case look like they plug into different sockets on my mobo similar to the way the headphones jack and audio has its own.

Well, right now, you'd need three (Commander Core, Commander Pro, Lighting Node Pro) or you'd need to pick up a Fan Hub. We often recommend an internal USB hub (NZXT's is popular).

That said, you really don't need the Commander Pro, at least, not at this time. You can use the Commander Core + a PWM Fan Hub to control the fan speeds. From there, for RGB, you'd be set with the Lighting Node Core and Commander Core ... unless you also want to add more RGB (like strips). Once you start doing that, then the Commander Pro + Fan Hub, to replace the Lighting Node Core, becomes more useful and necessary.

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Thank you so very much for the response u/DevBiker - I'm going to closely read through all of this now and try to process it. My learning style struggles without having hands on physically lol. 

I would greatly appreciate it if I could ask you some more questions after I read through all this closely.

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mrnalgas15

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Okay - I've read through your comment a few times and I think I'm getting closer to understanding but what I'm starting to think is that maybe I need to draw a quick diagram with just a small square for example to reprsent the AIO - Commander Core - mobo and what not and then draw lines to each labeling what connection they are. My learning style sucks 😞 Let me know if that would help you in answering if I did that.

Okay - so what I'm thinking is that the AIO pump will connect directly to the Commander Core and to the mobo. That is all it does.

The 3 ML120 fans for the radiator will connect to the Commander Core for both power and lighting purposes. Commander Core will then plug into a SATA connection and plug into a USB header on mobo.

My other 6 QL140 fans could be connected to a pwm fan hab - something similar to this :

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-CO-8950020-Rgb-Cfan-Compatible/dp/B075GWMJ68/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=corsair+fan+hub&qid=1627764198&sr=8-5

To use that pwm fan hub I would also to need to purchase a Lighting Node Pro - because the items that come with my 2 packs of QL140s won't work?

https://www.newegg.com/p/1W8-016K-00016?Description=corsair lighting node pro&cm_re=corsair_lighting node pro-_-9SIAHT8DV81740-_-Product&quicklink=true

The pwm fan hub DOES NOT plug into the Commander Core at all; however, it does get SATA power and it does plug into a USB header on the mobo?

I'm confused as to how the Lighting Node pro can display 6 QL140 rgb if it only has the two ports on it? I see on description it says it can support 12 rgb?!?!? with 2 ports?!?!?

But, the Lighting Node Pro would then get SATA power  and a USB header mobo AND it would NOT connect to the pwm fan hub?

So I would have 3 USB headers - the Commander Core - pwm fan hub - Lighting Node Pro?

I could also grab the :

https://www.amazon.com/NZXT-Internal-USB-Hub-AC-IUSBH-M3-4/dp/B08L8VJS3Z/ref=asc_df_B08L8VJS3Z/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=475750632217&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4860691129444916856&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9016330&hvtargid=pla-1114991235564&psc=1

for the purpose of having enough USB headers.

Do the cords that need plugged into the USB headers for the Commander Core, pwm fan hub, Lighting Node Pro all come with each of those items? I know that the SATA cables I would need to plug into them come with the PSU - I'm also going to purchase one of these because I think it will look nice and I've double checked that it's compatible with my EVGA power supply :

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HM6NYXV?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_dt_b_asin_title

 

DevBiker

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Did you mention that your case comes with a PWM hub?

If not, you'd want something like this: https://www.amazon.com/DEEPCOOL-FH-10-Integrated-Occupying-Motherboard/dp/B077YHLDSP/ref=sxin_13_trr_11036291_1?cv_ct_cx=pwm+fan+hub&dchild=1&keywords=pwm+fan+hub&pd_rd_i=B077YHLDSP&pd_rd_r=00f78765-5559-433a-b279-d318c792cfbc&pd_rd_w=g1Hmh&pd_rd_wg=zz77K&pf_rd_p=4593e596-538b-4994-84c3-9cd98dccbfa6&pf_rd_r=07WNA47JW7685AW394C3&qid=1627777290&sr=1-2-5519553e-2baa-451e-af83-b0156e5c6669. You seem to have gotten wrapped up in the RGB - you don't need the RGB Hub.

Now ... your MLs are on the Commander Core for RGB and PWM. Next, the QL multipacks come with the Lighting Node Core. You can use that to control the RGB on the QL's - all six of them on one hub. That connects via USB. PWM for the QLs goes to the PWM Hub. The PWM Hub is connected to (and controlled by) the Commander Core and one of its PWM headers.

You don't need a Fan Hub unless you want to control the RGB for the QLs from a Commander Pro. And you really don't need a Commander Pro, at least not at this time.

 

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Okay. First of all - thank you soooooo much for putting up with me. I hate how my learning style is. It's frustrating for me sometimes. That makes a little more sense though.

Would you please read this and check the diagram that I've made real quickly?

But, no sir, the case doesn't come with one. I'm going to be using a Thermaltake View 71 Tempered Glass.

I've got it down that the MLs are the commander core for RGB and for power. The AIO pump also plugs into the commander core and the pump plugs into the mobo (forgot to draw the pump to mobo connection on my diagram). Then, the commander core gets a SATA connection and a mobo header, that correct?

I'm going to buy the part that you're referring to for the fan hub. 

I will have 2 Lighting Node Cores from my fan purchases and sounds like I only need 1.

So the QLs will plug into the part that you're suggesting I get for power and they will plug into Lighting Node Core for RGB. 

Here is where I'm super confused.

In my diagram I drew that the PWM connects to the commander core in one of the fan port spots on it (which is good because I will only be using 3 from the MLs). Does the PWM then get a SATA connection AND a mobo connection? Also, does it plug into the Lighting Node Core?

The Lighting Node Core will also then plug into all 6 of my QL fan (just like I mentioned in the above paragraph - does the node core plug into the PWM or the Commander Core?) Also, does the Lighting Node Core also get a SATA connection AND a mobo connection?

I know that all the SATA connections I will need come with my PSU - I actually ordered an aftermarket set of cables for asthetics and I ensured they will be compatible with my EVGA PSU however do all the USB cables that plug devices into the USB headers come with the respected devices (for example usb header cable with the commander core) :

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HM6NYXV?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details

So at this point I guess please let me know if the PARTIAL diagram that I've preapred is correct and I'm still concerned about the Lighting Node core going the Commander Core or PWM or it going nowhere, does the PWM get a SATA and USB header, and does the Lighting Node Core get a SATA and a USB header?

I'm going to get the NZXT header part you suggested.

 

I am probably being a pain and if so please just tell me. I hate being a burden and I understand completely if I am. It's beyond kind that people like you take the time to help. I truly appreciate it more than you know.

 

DevBiker

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You are almost there.

The PWM Hub will have SATA power. You absolutely want a powered hub.

Second - the Lighting Node Core will have a USB connection and a SATA power connection.

Finally - if you are going to use the hub (don't just get if you don't need it), then the hub will be connected to the motherboard and the Commander Core and Lighting Node Core will be connected to the hub.

This is probably all better done, honestly, in the forum. There's no problem with questions around here (mostly) and doing it in the forum helps others learn too.

 

mrnalgas15

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Thank you sir.

Would it be okay if I copied the conversation and added it to the topic that I made?

 

 

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Alrighty - were all of the connections that I drew in my diagram correct then?

The new additions that I made were:

  • the PWM being connected to SATA PSU
  • Lighting Node Core being connected to SATA PSU
  • Lighting Node Core being connected to the Commander Core
  • PWM and Lighting Node Core both being connected to the mobo

What I have in summary to try and put my diagram in a text format in case the lines are hard to follow :

AIO Pump

  1. Connected to the Commander Core
  2. Connected to mobo fan port

Commander Core

  1. Power and RGB for all 3 ML fans used on the radiator
  2. Connected to SATA PSU
  3. Connected to USB header on mobo

PWM Hub

  1. Power for all 6 QL fans
  2. Connected to SATA PSU
  3. Connected to USB header on mobo
  4. Connected to a fan port on the Commander Core

Lighting Node Core

  1. RGB for all 6 QL fans
  2. Connected to SATA PSU
  3. Connected to USB header on mobo
  4. Connected to a RGB port on the Commander Core

I'm going to get the suggested NZXT mobo USB header splitter because I will need more.

Do the components such as Commander Core, PWM fan hub, and Lighting Node Core come with the USB cord that is responsible for plugging into a USB header on the mobo?

 

diagram_setup.JPG

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The PWM hub won't have a connection to the motherboard. It'll only connect to SATA (for power) and the Commander Core (for control). Other than that, I think you've got it. If your motherboard has 2 USB 2.0 headers, you won't need the NZXT hub.

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Thank you sir! I think the drawing really helped me. It makes no sense how reading or hearing something is only somewhat helpful and then to be able to physically see something makes it much better. It's a pain LOL.

I think the last question that I have is considering my original question about the Commander Core (because of the AIO) and also using the Commander Pro.

I'm only asking because a buddy of mine has an extra Commander Pro he just let me know this morning. He said he would let me have it. If he did that then I wouldn't need to buy a PWM fan hub.

Essentially with this setup I would have ( a lot of similarity to the latest diagram) :
 

 

AIO Pump

  1. Connected to the Commander Core
  2. Connected to mobo fan port

Commander Core

  1. Power and RGB for all 3 ML fans used on the radiator
  2. Connected to SATA PSU
  3. Connected to USB header on mobo

Commander Pro

  1. Power for all 6 QL fans
  2. Connected to SATA PSU
  3. Connected to USB header on mobo

Lighting Node Core

  1. RGB for all 6 QL fans
  2. Connected to SATA PSU
  3. Connected to a RGB port on the Commander Pro
  4. Connected to USB Internal on the Commander Pro

 

With this setup is my diagram and text explanation correct? The only thing I'm debating is does the Lighting Node Core also need a USB Header? So this setup would need 3 - Commander Core, Commander Pro, and Lighting Node Core?

If that's correct then I will update my diagram for future use and if it helps anyone else.

 

commander pro commander core diagram.JPG

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The Lighting Node Core (NoCo) does need a USB header. It does not connect to the Commander Pro (CoPro) - except, perhaps, to use its USB header.

And yes, this will work as well.

That said, this is where you could use an RGB Fan LED Hub (https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Custom-Cooling/Accessories/CORSAIR-RGB-Fan-LED-Hub/p/CO-8950020) rather than the Lighting Node Core. The Fan Hub will connect directly to the 3-pin Lighting Channel on the CoPro and to SATA. It will let you control the RGB for the fans from the CoPro rather than from the NoCo. You don't have to - it's an option - and it'd save you a USB port.

Since the CoPro is free, no sense letting it go, right? The only wrinkle in using the CoPro and Fan Hub is that the Fan Hub, if you get it from Corsair, doesn't come with the cable for it. The CoPro does come with 2 of them .... but we don't know if your friend will include those with it.

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Awesome!

So my diagram would need a USB header connection to the Lighting Node Core added to it and it wouldn't need connected to RGB port on the CoPro, however it MAY or MAY NOT need connected to USB on the CoPro.

I would prefer not to have to buy the RGB Fan LED Hub (but will do so if needed) reason being I will already have the Commander Core, the Lighting Node Core that comes with my packs of fans (I will actually have 2 of them) and I'll have the Commander Pro my buddy offered to give me (he said he is giving me the entire package so I would get the connectors that you're talking about with it.

With the setup that I had drawn out I think from what I'm understanding is :

  1. The Lighting Node Core would need a USB Header to mobo.
  2. You mentioned the Lighting Node Core "does not connect to the CoPro - except, perhaps, to use it's USB header" so does this mean that the Lighting Node Core wouldn't need the USB header to the mobo if it was connected to USB on CoPro? 
  3. Since you say doesn't, except perhaps, does that mean it doesn't matter if it's connected to the CoPro?
  4. If I were to set it up the way I had described I think that you're saying I would need 3 USB headers on mobo - CoCore, CoPro, and Lighting Node Core, correct?
  5. Since you mention if I set it up that way I would have to control the RGB for the 6 QL fans from the Lighting Node Core I wouldn't mind that if I can still control it with the iCUE software. I'm not understanding why it would matter to control it from CoPro or Lighting Node Core.
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  1. Yes, it needs to be connected via USB. Direct to the motherboard or with an internal hub.
  2. Correct. It could use the USB hub in the CoPro. Be careful relying on this though - the CoPro's USB hub has issues with some USB chipsets, particularly AMD.
  3. Correct. Doesn't matter one little bit (with exception of the aforementioned flakiness of the CoPro's USB).
  4. Yes, you'd need 3 USB headers. There are ways to combine them but I don't get the feeling that you'd be up for re-pinning your cables.
  5. It doesn't. Just where you'd find it in iCUE so you don't go looking in the wrong place. 😉
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I think from the sounds of things it sounds as if it would be easier to just the RGB Fan LED Hub that you're referring to (especially since my buddy is giving me the whole box). Also, this would allow me to control the 6 QL fan RGB from the CoPro.

AIO Pump :

  1. connected to the CoCore
  2. connected to fan port on mobo

CoCore :

  1. power and RGB function for all 3 ML radiator fans
  2. connected to SATA Power
  3. connected to USB header on mobo

CoPro :

  1. power for all 6 QL case fans
  2. connected to SATA Power
  3. connected to USB header on mobo

RGB Fan LED Hub :

  1. RGB function for all 6 QL case fans
  2. connected to SATA Power
  3. connected to 1 ( out of 2 on the Co Pro ) 3 pin Lighting Channel

 

Advantages of doing this setup :

  1. only requires 2 USB mobo headers
  2. control RGB for 6 QL case fans from the CoPro
  3. also, since I'm only using 1 out of the 2 Lighting Channels on the CoPro I could theoritaclly use UP TO 6 daisy chained RGB LED Strips from Corsair that would be plugged into the 2nd Lighting Channel on the CoPro and these would also be controlled by the CoPro (they would require no other connections to SATA Power or USB mobo header - JUST the connection to Lighting Channel on CoPro)

 

CoCore CoPro Fan LED Hub Diagram.JPG

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That is exactly right!! 🙂

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HOLY SMOKES!!! I can't believe it 🤣

I've been concerned about this particular fan power/RGB setup more than anything for my entire build. Been reading about it awhile now watched videos. A lot of the videos don't show STEP by STEP and they assume you have a decent deal of knowledge (which I don't LOL) plus I think me drawing the diagram and having someone as nice as you to comment and put up with me has been the MOST helpful thing yet. Thank you u/DevBiker!!!

So - my diagram and text description was completely good to go, yeah!

Was I even correct about the 6 daisy chained RGB LED strips from Corsair and how they would require NO SATA connection and no USB mobo header connection - JUST the 3 pin Lighting Channel to the CoPro?

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3 hours ago, mrnalgas15 said:

Was I even correct about the 6 daisy chained RGB LED strips from Corsair and how they would require NO SATA connection and no USB mobo header connection - JUST the 3 pin Lighting Channel to the CoPro?

Yes. that is absolutely correct. Just keep in mind that it's 6 of the regular strips - you can put the external strips from the LS100 on there too (but not as many).

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