Welcome To My House Of Pain!!!!!

[michaeldrouin]

I have a challenge for you, RAM GUY! You would be happy to know I've done tons of research in your postings and did what I can, but I believe I'm still having problems. I've been working on this monster of a computer that I want to perform like the beast it is. Everything seems to be working okay, but I have some doubts about the RAM. Here's what I got.

 

P4 3.21GHz (800FSB) (512MB) P4C Northwood, O.C. 3.60GHz

nVidia Personal Cinema GeForce 5700 256MB (tried O.C. and really didn't help much. Bad board for overclocking. Realize this is not a great performing, but I still think my 3DMark is too low.)

Corsair TWINX1024 XMS32002 PL DDR400 200MHz (I'll be adding two more once I have all issues resolved.)

ASUS P4P800-E DELUXE

water cooled

Audigy 2 ZS Platinum

 

BIOS

AI overclock Manual

CPU external freq 225

DRAM Freq 320

AGP/PCI 66.66/33.33

VCORE 1.7V

DDR V 2.75V

AGP V 1.6V

Performance mode auto

 

Config RAM Disabled

CAS# 2

RAS# 2

RAS#-CAS# 2

DELAY 5

BURST 4

Mem acceleration enabled

DRAM idle timer auto

DRAM refresh rate auto

Graphic priority AGP/PCI

 

Graphic aperture 256MB

Spread Spectrum enabled

Delay transition enabled

MPS revision 1.1 (Going to try updating BIOS, but last time I did that I had nothing but problems)

 

Onboard AC'07 disabled

Onboard MIDI enabled

Legacy USB disabled

 

Benchmarks

 

3D Mark 2001SE - 13,100 (not good, I should be getting over 17,000)(now I'm having some serious problems. I don't know what I did, I don't think I changed anything but 3D Mark 2001SE fails after 2 tests. nothing comes easy to me)

3D Mark 2003 - 3295 (HORRIBLE!!! Should be running 10000-12000)

PC Mark 5206 (not bad but 6500 would be better)

 

Sandra

Memory - 4857/4865 (par, this is good, I don't understand why 3D Marks run so slow????)

CPU - 10834/4473/8009 (above par)

Multi-Media 27517/39284 (above par)

Cache/Memory/CPU - 10112 (no reference for this CPU, probably par)

 

What's the problem, you may ask. First of all, I can't OC the CPU if I set the ram to 400MHz. That's what it should be right? Asus Probe doesn't recognize my RAM speed. If I use ASUS Probe it screws up my RAM settings)SANDRA says my RAM is not ECC/Parity and there is no 36-bit size page extension (I don't know what that is)

 

ASUS Probe

Socket DIMM A1/B1

Bank RAS1/5 RAS 0/4

Speed UNKNOWN

Type DIMM

Size 512MB Double Bank

Enable 512MB Double Bank

No reported error

 

Sandra

Tells me that my RAM is not ECC/Parity

Rated Speed 3200MHz/4x200MHz

36-bit size page extension NO (Is this a problem)

Channels 2

Speed 2x180MHz

Data rate 366MHz (only setting that allows me to overclock)

 

RAM GUY, CAN YOU HELP ME, OR AM I A LOST CAUSE???!!!!????

[michaeldrouin]

I didn't mean ASUS probe messes up my RAM settings. I ment to say that when I use AI Booster it messes up the settings.

[rowpie]

Ram Guy very rarely comes out of hiding and checks the normal house of help areas of the forums, if you want to challenge him specifically you'd be better off posting in the corsair section of the forums.

 

My first thoughts are your graphics card just isnt as powerful as you seem to think, the fact that the scores your complaining about are al in programs designed for graphics testing and that sandra scores your other components fine shows the problem being the gpu.

 

also when overclocking the cpu, if your ram is set to a 1/1 multiplier (or 100%) it will overclock with it, that is normal. The XL series ram are very good overlockers.

[jsteel44]

3D Mark 2001SE - 13,100 (not good, I should be getting over 17,000)(now I'm having some serious problems. I don't know what I did, I don't think I changed anything but 3D Mark 2001SE fails after 2 tests. nothing comes easy to me)

3D Mark 2003 - 3295 (HORRIBLE!!! Should be running 10000-12000)

 

17k in 3mark 01? are u nuts? Even my FX5950 did'nt hit past that.

 

12k in 03? omg my radeon x800xt barely gets over 12400 at stock, my 6800GT does around 11000, with an Athlon 3500+ and PIV 2.8 @ 3.5Ghz respectively. Your 5700 is performing about its average.

[jsteel44]

http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=159415#post159415

 

see my reply there, and double posting AND changing values is not a good idea.

[michaeldrouin]

Dude, I am not nuts but you are certifiable. Who do you think you are? Telling me not to double post? It was suggested to me. Don't change my values???? I can do whatever the hell I want. I realized my scores were out of reach so I changed them, no thanks to your comments, never saw them till now. When I have 2MB of RAM on my motherboard, I do get 2001 scores well over 15,000. What kind of issues do you have? Control freak? Picked on a lot? Small pee-pee? Ease off pal, have a drink on me.

[CMC_SAVAGE]

Please don't double post.

You're questions will be answered.

Respect really gets you alot further on these forums.

[jsteel44]

After many years of forums alls i can do is laugh my *** off :D:

[Yellowbeard]

What Corsair RAM do you have? The part number above is not a Corsair part #. The complete part number is on the holographic sticker.

 

Mike.

[michaeldrouin]

Mike,

 

A constructive comment! I was starting to wonder about everyone in here. I didn't realize that mattered, but you obviously know something I don't. The Part# is, drum roll please. Shoot, kind of hard to read stuck in my computer. Hold on, let me power down this 600 Watt thing. I need a stick. 0046115-1. Tested 512MB twin pair. Wait there's another number here: XMS3202v5.1. That number makes a little more sense. What's your plan, Man?

 

 

By the way Rainman. I posted on a forum that Ram Guy doesn't visit. It has nothing to do with impatience. I could wait until I was old and gray and he still wouldn't have replied. So I posted here. Good enough explanation for you? Is everything okay now? Am I forgiven? I'll admit it wasn't too bright, but I'm new here. Cut me some slack. Don't get mad, but I do have to lash out at you just for your comment. It's all in fun. I really don't let anything get to me, but I do love a good humorous confrontation. Wait, one more: Rainman, I know you are a very good driver, but I wish you would drive off a cliff. Probably already heard that one. :D:

[Wired]

Ram Guy very rarely comes out of hiding and checks the normal house of help areas of the forums, if you want to challenge him specifically you'd be better off posting in the corsair section of the forums.

... and double posting AND changing values is not a good idea.

Dude, I am not nuts but you are certifiable. Who do you think you are? Telling me not to double post? It was suggested to me. Don't change my values???? I can do whatever the hell I want. I realized my scores were out of reach so I changed them, no thanks to your comments, never saw them till now. When I have 2MB of RAM on my motherboard, I do get 2001 scores well over 15,000. What kind of issues do you have? Control freak? Picked on a lot? Small pee-pee? Ease off pal, have a drink on me.

Please don't double post.

You're questions will be answered.

Respect really gets you alot further on these forums.

After many years of forums alls i can do is laugh my *** off :D:

 

Finally a dispute here! I get to do something other than moving around threads :)

 

AHEM. Mr. Admin-a-ma-bob here to save the day! :D

 

rowpie was correct in suggesting re-posting to the Corsair section. jsteel was correct in that when you double post and change values and someone reads them, they don't know if one post just had typos, or they were tested and changed, or what's going on. He's just trying to help out. FYI, I'm assuming that's a typo and you meant 2 GB, not MB. I deleted the 2nd post when I merged the threads not knowing the settings had changed. Please either reply with the new settings, or change the settings in the first post and make a new post stating as such.

 

CMC_Savage is correct, your words here are all we have to judge you and your questions with. We all appreciate the details of your post, however your words could be picked a little better. Fortunately all of the above posters aren't rookie posters here, so I don't think anyone's taking any of this personally :)

 

Also, the Enthusiast section isn't the place to post about a possible warranty issue. The Warranty forum is, and as such I've moved it here.

 

What Corsair RAM do you have? The part number above is not a Corsair part #. The complete part number is on the holographic sticker.

 

0046115-1. Tested 512MB twin pair. Wait there's another number here: XMS3202v5.1

 

Those may help later, but the important one is missing: Should be TwinX1024-3200YY. What's the YY part? That'll tell us the timings for it.

[Yellowbeard]

Yah, based on the timings you are listing above I am guessing that you have the PC3200 XL? I'm taking the following from your post:

 

What's the problem, you may ask. First of all, I can't OC the CPU if I set the ram to 400MHz. That's what it should be right? Asus Probe doesn't recognize my RAM speed. If I use ASUS Probe it screws up my RAM settings)SANDRA says my RAM is not ECC/Parity and there is no 36-bit size page extension (I don't know what that is)

 

OK, in the past 99.9% of Intel 875/865 based MOBOs cannot run the RAS to CAS setting at 2. Some argue this but they are usually one of that 0.1% that can run it. I suggest from my use of the PC3200XL that you set your RAM timings (in this order relating to yours above) at 2,2,3,6, and burst length at 8. Set the memory turbo thingy to auto or even better, off if you can. Also set any CPU accelerator (turbo's etc) to OFF/AUTO/Standard, whichever applies. These settings only interfere with your manual settings.

 

IF you want to try to go past 225mhz keep several things in mind. 1, your CPU and/or your MOBO can easily be your bottleneck. In my experience the RAM you have IF it is the XL will run close to 250mhz but the timings must be loosened. Try 2.5,3,3,7 if you try to go past 225mhz FSB. Also, if you try to add 2 more sticks, you will likely reduce your stability and your overall OC will probably drop some.

 

Other than that, I am not certain what else could be attributed to the RAM. If you are running at 225mhz with the timings listed above, that is an outstanding OC and far beyond the advertised spex of the RAM. Also, you might want to search and see what other 5700 users are getting on their video benchmarks so you will have an apples v apples comparison.

 

Mike.

[michaeldrouin]

Wired,

 

I'm an idiot. You're right, 2GB. I currently only have 1GB though. I ordered some more, but after Mike's posting, I may not put it in. The only thing I changed was the spec marks I was looking for. I did some more research and found out that they were not possible with a 5700. I still feel they are low though. Thanks for combining my postings. Boys just want to have fun. :p:

 

Oh, another thing. Warranty issue? My posting isn't about a warranty, it's about overclocking and "UNKNOWN" RAM.

 

 

Mike

[michaeldrouin]

Bunch of freaks!!!

[michaeldrouin]

Mike,

 

Okay. Are you saying if I set the latency to 2.5,3,3,7, burst 8, that I should be able to surpase 225MHz? With 2,2,3,6, burst 4, I can't run a burn test past 225MHz. I always wondered about the performance settings. That's a great suggestion about turning it off. What about the CPU setting? I don't have off, is Standard or Auto better? My MOBO spec says CPU: 3.6MHz+. I assume that means it's rated past that. I have run 3.7MHz stable before, but that was before I started messing with the latency settings. Also, why would 4 chips in dual setting reduce my CPU's capability? Just too much processing effort? Would TWIN 2x1GB chips be better? One last thing, what about the RAM frequency issue? Shouldn't I be able to run it at 400MHz, not 320MHz? Thanks Mike, your a Saint and a gentleman!

 

Mike

[michaeldrouin]

I don't want my posting here. I want it in the overclocking one!! Or maybe not. Which one do I want? My original posting is about overclocking and not being able to set my RAM to 200MHz. It is directed to RAM Guy. Which one do I want and can you please move it there? Thanks dude.

[RAM GUY]

Well lets leave it here for now and I will move the thread if needed. O.K.

 

And michaeldrouin, it would be really helpful if you would indeed tell me the exact part# of your modules. Should be like Twinx1024-3200C2 XMS3202 Rev 4.1 0404098.

In addition you have ASUS P4P800-E but what bios version and also please list the system specs and make and model of PSU as well.

[Yellowbeard]

BIOS

AI overclock Manual

CPU external freq 225

DRAM Freq 320

AGP/PCI 66.66/33.33

VCORE 1.7V

DDR V 2.75V

AGP V 1.6V

Performance mode auto

 

Config RAM Disabled

CAS# 2

RAS# 2

RAS#-CAS# 2

DELAY 5

BURST 4

Mem acceleration enabled

 

:uzi: :wall:

 

The above is a cut from your original post. I would definitely drop your Vcore a little. 1.65v should be fine. Most likely, if 1.65v won't do, then neither will 1.7v and 1.7v is very near the threshold of "sudden death" for a P4.

 

On the above set the Performance Mode to Standard and the Memory Acceleration to Auto or, Off/diabled if you have that option. Then, manually set the timings I gave you in the order of those 5 above to 2,2,3,6, and burst at 8.

 

There are no guarantees about your RAM using 1gb or 2gb. You "might" be able to go past 225mhz IF your CPU, MOBO, and RAM all "agree: :p: to do so. My guess is that you are very close to the max of your CPU right now. As to the 4 sticks of RAM/2gb, you "might" be able to do that also. My ASUS boards will but, they are 875 based which is typically a bit more robust than the 865.

 

Bottom line, on the OCing and the 2gb the only real way to tell is to try it. Each board is different and I have seen some 865 based MOBOs that would run as well as any 875 and yet others that would barely OC at all.

 

Good luck, Mike.

[michaeldrouin]

Ram Guy! Here to save the day :biggrin:

 

First thing, I have too many numbers in my head. I said RAM at 200MHz. What it really should be is 400MHz. I can't overclock at 400MHz, only at 320MHz. That's odd and doesn't make any sense. I should be at 1:1, not 5:4.

 

 

Twinx512-3200C2 XMS3202 Rev 5.1 0046115-1. Not sure about the twinx512 part. I have two 512MB cards that have been matched and tested successfully to operate at 1024MB in dual mode. I was told to set latency at 2-3-3-6-4, but I have read threads for the same RAM and it said 2-2-2-5-4. I have also seen 2-2-2-5-8. I currently have it set at 2-2-3-6-4 at 320MHz (only setting that allows overclocking to 225MHz.) I have successfully reduced it to 2-2-2-5-4, but that is only if run it at 400MHz and the CPU not past 205MHz. My MOBO has revision 1.4 installed in BIOS, but I do remember the system crashing after I flashed it. I reinstalled Windows XP SP2 and BIOS shows v1.4. What in the world is a PSU??? I listed everything below, hopefully one of them is the make of the PSU. If you are talking the entire computer, I put it together. Oh, wait a tick, you're talking about the Power Supply Unit. It's an Antec ATX12V 550Watts, Model True550. Little off the topic, but this is funny. A friend called his girlfriend who was in a craft store to find out what PSU stood for. She had two coworkers with her that are IT's and they didn't know what it stood for. A lady that works at the craft store overheard the phone conversation and told them "power supply unit". That is hilarious.

 

Computer Specs

 

Intel Pentium P4 Northwood C 3.2GHz(200MHz) (800FSB) 512KB, O.C. 3.6GHz(225MHz)

Intel 865PE chipset (3.2GHz+ compatible)

Hyper Path Technology

VCore 1.6? maybe I have it at 1.625. not sure. (I have tried 1.550 - 1.725 without any differences, anything over 1.725 and computer fails boot)

DDR Voltage 1.75

AGP Voltage 1.5

 

Kingwin AWC-1 Arctic Liquid Cooler System

 

Hard Drives

Maxtor

MaXLine II (4 each)

 

• 250GB capacity each

• 500GB set up in a RAID, striping.

• ≤10.0ms average seek time

• 5400 RPM

• Ultra ATA/133

• S.M.A.R.T. compliant

• 2MB cache buffer

 

Seagate in Removable Bay

 

200GB

7200RPM

IDE

 

Sound Card

Creative Lab Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum

 

 

Video Card

eVGA e-GeForce FX 5700, Personal Cinema

AGP 8X 256MB DDR Video Card w/TV-Out & DVI

 

Performance

 

• GPU/VPU: nVidia e-GeForce FX 5700

• RAMDAC: Dual 400 MHz

• Fill Rate per Second: 1 Billion texels

• Vertices per Second: 356 Million

• Maximum Resolution: 2048 x 1536 x 32 bpp at 85Hz

 

Memory

 

• Video Memory: 256MB

• Memory Type: DDR

• Core Clock: 425 MHz

• Memory Clock: 550 MHz

• Memory Bandwidth: 8.8GB/sec

 

 

NEC

ND-3500A

16X Double Layer DVD±RW Drive

 

Floppy Drive

Sony 1.44MB

 

 

Does that cover everything?

[michaeldrouin]

Funny you mentioned all those specs. I did that last night, except I believe I got my VCORE down to 1.6V, or maybe 1.575V. Runs fine, but still can't get past 225MHz. 3D2001SE didn't improve much, 13,400. I know when I put that extra set of 3200's in there I will get 15,000 and be able to overclock it to 3.74GHz. I already tried it with a second set of cheap 512MB Kingston 2700's,VCORE 1.7V, and I got 15,170. Thanks for the info. Especially the accelerator settings. I know that isn't going to be a huge factor in OC.

[michaeldrouin]

Talk about sudden death. Just for kicks, last night I set my VCORE to 1.8V to see if I could fry the chip, I want a 3.4GHz anyway. Just kidding it was a complete accident. I was trying to set it to 1.7 and was in a rush. Big F' up. I had a cheap 420W no name power supply and it blew up. I mean exploded. A UV light attached with velcro blew completely out of my open computer. I was pooping bricks :bigeyes: . Thought I fried the MOBO and chip. Everything is working fine, burn test good, and I'm still getting the same benchmarks within 5 units. Went out and bought a $120 550W power supply with thermal protection. Don't want that to happen again.

[RAM GUY]

First thing, the modules you have Twinx1024-3200C2 or 2 CMX512-3200C2 modules would be rated at Cass 2-3-3-6 at DDR400 1-1 with the CPU. Have you tested them at this setting? And to add to that I would set the Dim Voltage to 2.75 Volts as well. As far as over clocking or what a given system will O.C. to there is not a lot I can do, other than to suggest you test these modules in another system preferably an Intel I875 based MB and see if you get the same results. However, I have no problem replacing your modules, but they are able to run tighter timings than what’s advertised and the fact your system will not O.C. that well may not be the fault of the memory. So I will leave that to you, but I would caution you, that we only guarantee them at the tested settings so you may get a set that will not run as good as what you have now, and testing them in another may help you isolate the memory from your system.

[Wired]

Hehe, you'd be suprised who knows what geek acronyms and who doesn't :)

 

The C2s explains a lot. It sounds like the memory's fine, just hitting a limit. Setting it to 3-4-4-8 may help a bit in seeing what they can do, although it may only go up by a Mhz or 2.

[michaeldrouin]

Aren't lower latency settings better? I have them set at 2.5(they key to getting past 205Mhz)-3-3-5,burst4. I finally got past 205MHz with 400MHz set and working my way up. Working great. Windows finally sees dual processors. I'll post what happens. Hopefully nothing blows up again.

[Yellowbeard]

Aren't lower latency settings better?

Yes, lower latencies are better but, you did not buy low latency RAM. The settings that RAM GUY gave you are what those modules are rated to run at. And, Corsair tests extensively so, you "might" get more out of them but prolly not. If you want to try to OC, I would suggest that you loosen the timings to 2.5,3,3,7 and burst to 8. You will offset the lack of low latencies hopefully by getting a better OC and therefore more CPU cycles.

 

Mike.