sblantipodi Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 As title.If you use the corsair site to compare the dominator platinum module you'll see that DDR4 module costs a lot more and has really slower timings than DDR3. Why should we pay more for slower modules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emissary42 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Are you building a DDR4 system (= LGA2011-3 / X99)? Then DDR4 is your only choice. If not, then don't worry about DDR4 vs DDR3 until sometime next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblantipodi Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 Are you building a DDR4 system (= LGA2011-3 / X99)? Then DDR4 is your only choice. If not, then don't worry about DDR4 vs DDR3 until sometime next year. Yes I'm building a X99 system but I would like to understand why I should pay a lot more for slower ram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emissary42 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Welcome to the early adopters club. A price is something defined by many things, mostly economics. Performance is a very minor point among those, otherwise DDR3-2800+ kits would have been cheaper than most DDR3-2400 stuff. Of course you could always wait until the prices come down, or higher performance kits become available... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblantipodi Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 Welcome to the early adopters club. A price is something defined by many things, mostly economics. Performance is a very minor point among those, otherwise DDR3-2800+ kits would have been cheaper than most DDR3-2400 stuff. Of course you could always wait until the prices come down, or higher performance kits become available... I'm curious to see what is the price offered by other manufacturers. It is very ridiculous to pay 30% more something that is slower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emissary42 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 It is very ridiculous to pay 30% more something that is slower. Price is not something that is only determined by relative performance. Get over it. Also you can't really compare DDR4 performance with DDR3 based on specified timings alone, but you probably know that. Unless you already have a quad channel memory setup, there's nothing wrong with DDR4 performance with four modules on X99. What performance increase does paying +100% for a DDR3-3100 over a DDR3-2800 kit give you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblantipodi Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 Price is not something that is only determined by relative performance. Get over it. Also you can't really compare DDR4 performance with DDR3 based on specified timings alone, but you probably know that. Unless you already have a quad channel memory setup, there's nothing wrong with DDR4 performance with four modules on X99. What performance increase does paying +100% for a DDR3-3100 over a DDR3-2800 kit give you? I know that a DDR3 2666MHz 12-13-13-35 module is well faster than a DDR4 2666MHz 15-17-17-35 module, this is sure. The first DDR3 kit costs 669 USD, the DDR4 kit costs 959 USD, we are talking of a huge price increase for slower RAM. I know that price is not made upon performance but corsair is advertising current DDR4 as faster and this is not true, current DDR4 is more expensive and slower, not faster as corsair says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODedAssault Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Why is that sure ? Ddr4 will not perform the same at a set speed and timing as ddr3 at same speed and timing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblantipodi Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 Why is that sure ? Ddr4 will not perform the same at a set speed and timing as ddr3 at same speed and timing... are you sure that DDR4 does not perform the same at same frequency and latency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Technobeard Posted August 26, 2014 Administrators Share Posted August 26, 2014 This is how memory evolves. The speed increases and the timings get slower. As time goes on and more people adopt DDR4, more DDR4 will be made. Companies will get better making them. Yields will increase making everything better - the prices will drop (also due to demand and increased competition) and the speed and size of DDR4 modules will go up, and the timings will get tighter. This has happened when every new generation of memory has been released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblantipodi Posted August 26, 2014 Author Share Posted August 26, 2014 This is how memory evolves. The speed increases and the timings get slower. As time goes on and more people adopt DDR4, more DDR4 will be made. Companies will get better making them. Yields will increase making everything better - the prices will drop (also due to demand and increased competition) and the speed and size of DDR4 modules will go up, and the timings will get tighter. This has happened when every new generation of memory has been released. Ok this is obvious but what about "NOW!" ? now we have kits with high latency with the same frequency of ddr3 with a incredible higher price. how can this be possible? I think that my next kit will not be from corsair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdmiralDonut Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I think you have forgotten that DDR4 has double the bandwidth compared to DDR3, so even at CL15 you are going to see massively increased performance over an equivalent DDR3 module. With a clock rate double that of DDR3, from a max of 2.5ns on DDR3 and a max data rate of 1600Mb/s, to 1.25ns and a max data rate of 3200Mb/s on DDR4. That is why you pay a large amount, as well as being an early adopter you get a massive performance increase. As to the price, considering the speed increases and it being this early in to its public release, are you honestly surprised at the increase in cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblantipodi Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share Posted August 27, 2014 I think you have forgotten that DDR4 has double the bandwidth compared to DDR3, so even at CL15 you are going to see massively increased performance over an equivalent DDR3 module. With a clock rate double that of DDR3, from a max of 2.5ns on DDR3 and a max data rate of 1600Mb/s, to 1.25ns and a max data rate of 3200Mb/s on DDR4. That is why you pay a large amount, as well as being an early adopter you get a massive performance increase. As to the price, considering the speed increases and it being this early in to its public release, are you honestly surprised at the increase in cost? ok, we will see the results, I don't care about numbers, I care about performance and this numbers doesn't show any significant performance improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenosbod Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I will be waiting until AMD swaps over to DDR4 before I change my DDR3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotto Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 Welcome to the early adopters club. A price is something defined by many things, mostly economics. Performance is a very minor point among those, otherwise DDR3-2800+ kits would have been cheaper than most DDR3-2400 stuff. Of course you could always wait until the prices come down, or higher performance kits become available...this is why I said I am waiting on the ddr 4 ram. i'm sure we will be hearing a lot of complaits about this on the different forums:o: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblantipodi Posted September 2, 2014 Author Share Posted September 2, 2014 The first compliant is that there is no way to buy this ram in Italy. No shop, has it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bblanks123321 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I'm curious to see what is the price offered by other manufacturers. It is very ridiculous to pay 30% more something that is slower. agreed.....probably some part of an evil marketing plan long term Hide IP Online Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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