megaD Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Hi, I won a water-cooled AMD FX-9590 PC with an H80i in a sweepstake and I'm having some trouble with it. The PC freezes randomly after 20-30 minutes when playing some games in "Quiet" mode set in the Link software. The "Balanced" preset keeps the PC stable for a while longer but the only preset that keeps it really stable is "Performance". It's also the only preset where the PC passed Prime95 stress testing for more than 15 minutes (47° C on load - 30° C idle). I understand it's summer and room temperatures are often around 25° C (i read that idle should be ~7° C higher than room temperature and ~35°C higher on load) but the PC freezes somewhere between 50-60° C. The problem is that the "Performance" Link preset is really loud. The RPM of both radiators go up to 2300. For whatever reason on "Default" the RPM goes to 2500 and gets loud as hell. Any ideas how I can tweak the system to be a bit less loud and the CPU to be a bit more hot but still stable? I noticed there is a way to create a custom curve. Maybe it's something where I can start? Maybe I can tweak the BIOS to get a lower noise level? Possibly even underclock the CPU to get clocks and voltages of a 9370? The manufacturer initially forgot to include the USB cable that goes from the heat-sink to the main-board and sent me totally new H80i as a replacement. I didn't use any special cooling paste when mounting it on the CPU. I just left the layer of contact material there. I heard cooling paste can lower the temperature by a few degrees. Does anyone recommend to do that? Thanks, Specs: AMD FX-Series FX-9590 Corsair Hydro Series H80i (with installed Link software running balanced profile + registry patched Win 8.1) ASUS Crosshair V Formula-Z Mainboard (Optimized Default BIOS preset - BIOS updated) 16 GB Corsair DDR3 1600 RAM (2x 8GB) PowerColor Radeon R9 290 TurboDuo 4GB 2000 GB HDD 120GB SSD (Samsung 840) Blu-Ray ROM / DVD-RW 1000 Watt Silverstone Strider SST-ST1000-P, Corsair Graphite 600T Windows 8.1 64-bit - AMD Catalyst 14.4 - other drivers updated recently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LangZone Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Sounds like it may be mounted wrong. Take it off, clean up any paste on both cooler and processor and apply fresh paste. The computer shouldn't be shutting down at 60 degrees something is wrong for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaD Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 Will definitively try it with new cooling paste once I find some time but on the other hand shouldn't the CPU temperatures skyrocket if the heatsink isn't mounted correctly? I also asked the same question on the Asus ROG forums: http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?49117-FX-9590-Crosshair-V-Formula-Z-freezes&country&status There are other people who have problems stabilizing the FX-9590 too. I'm going to give these settings a try: http://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?48794-Problems-stabilizing-FX-9590-on-Crosshair-V-Formula-Z&p=414977&viewfull=1#post414977 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LangZone Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 Yeah unless they are reporting wrong. I assume you're at stock clock speeds right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaD Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 Exactly. It runs on the 4,7GHz stock clock but as the FX-9590 is a factory overclocked CPU it's already at the limit. This is why I think AMD didn't put it in retail selling first. I also read the voltage jumps when going in turbo mode are pretty big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODedAssault Posted July 8, 2014 Share Posted July 8, 2014 I don't see how it's the cooler causing the freezing... those temperatures are not bad at all. 47° under prime is not hot... do you mean it's 50-60° above ambient or the cpu is actually 50-60°. If you mean 50-60° above ambient (actually 75-80°) then yes the cooler may be the problem. If actual cpu temp is 50-60° then the cooler is not your issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaD Posted July 8, 2014 Author Share Posted July 8, 2014 It's the actual CPU temp showing in Link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODedAssault Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Well then that is not your issue. Are you getting any bsod upon shutdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaD Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 It's just a freeze. No shut down nor blue screen. I have to admit the temperatures showing in Link for the CPU are pretty strange. They jump up and down a lot too. Yesterday I downclocked to 4,4 GHz, turned off Turbo and set a custom curve cooling profile in Link that is super silent in idle and reasonably loud on load with 2000 RPM for both radiators. The system is now stable in Prime95 and in games. There is a guy in the Asus ROG forum who tried playing around with other mainboards and the FX-9590 (Asrock, Gigabyte) saying they handle it better. I get the FX-9590 also to be stable at 4,7 GHz and Turbo but for that at least I need 2300 RPM on both radiators. For whatever reason they get really loud above 2000 RPM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegotico Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 correct me if Im wrong but I think you need a bigger cooler for a CPU with a TDP of 220w. At the amd forums the minimum corsair cooler that is recommended is the H100i for the 9590. Im pretty sure this is your problem. The best one would be the H110 but your case only fits the H100i. The H80i is an excellent cooler but you wont use a 450w PSU when you need a 700w. Try selling the H80i and get yourself the H100i, also if you haven't update the bios to the latest, of the last 3, 2 address system stability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODedAssault Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Are you just looking at temps in corsair link or are you using core temp. Download core temp and read temps using that. Wtf. I just looked up max temp for your cpu. 61° is the maximum temp for a 220 watt tdp chip. Wtf was AMD thinking. Seriously. Ya your pretty much going to have to down clock or upgrade your cooler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegotico Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Are you just looking at temps in corsair link or are you using core temp. Download core temp and read temps using that. Wtf. I just looked up max temp for your cpu. 61° is the maximum temp for a 220 watt tdp chip. Wtf was AMD thinking. Seriously. Ya your pretty much going to have to down clock or upgrade your cooler. yes!!!!!! what i said, an H100i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODedAssault Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Difference between an h80i and h100i is like a couple °. H105 or h110. Even then there's no overclocking headroom really. AMD has bang for the buck. Not really considering the cooling you need to run it lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegotico Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Difference between an h80i and h100i is like a couple °. H105 or h110. Even then there's no overclocking headroom really. AMD has bang for the buck. Not really considering the cooling you need to run it lol. yes! as I said earlier the H110 would be perfect but when I check the cooler and case matrix it says only the H100i would fit on the 600T but it seems NOT. Maybe the matrix isn't updated. So he can get the h110. http://www.overclock.net/t/1431894/corsair-h110-in-corsair-600t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaD Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 Thanks guys. Will consider the H110 but things start make sense now if 61 deg C is the max. temperature for this CPU. I downclocked to 4,4 GHz and get rock solid 60 fps in Battlefield 4 on Ultra in 1080p. What do I want more? :) My monitor doesn't do more anyway and my eyes hurt without VSYNC. In the other forum someone recommend changing the radiator fans to those: Corsair SP120 (quiet edition). Does anyone recommend doing that? Are they really better than the stock radiator fans that come with the H80i? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODedAssault Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Stock h80i fans are exact same fin design. It's same fan with lower rpm and a ring. So it won't make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegotico Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Thanks guys. Will consider the H110 but things start make sense now if 61 deg C is the max. temperature for this CPU. I downclocked to 4,4 GHz and get rock solid 60 fps in Battlefield 4 on Ultra in 1080p. What do I want more? :) My monitor doesn't do more anyway and my eyes hurt without VSYNC. In the other forum someone recommend changing the radiator fans to those: Corsair SP120 (quiet edition). Does anyone recommend doing that? Are they really better than the stock radiator fans that come with the H80i? they would be quieter but you would have less static pressure (1.29 mm/h2o) which is what you need. The best option would be the SP120 pwm high performance edition which have a static pressure of 3.1 mm/H20. http://www.corsair.com/en/air-series-sp120-pwm-high-performance-edition-high-static-pressure-fan-twin-pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaD Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 Got it! Thanks for confirming. I compared the fans on Amazon and wasn't sure. Just ordered the SP120 pwm high performance edition. Got an unopened tube of Arctic Cooling MX-2 thermal paste. Will it do the job? Any tips of how to a apply it for a CPU that runs so hot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaD Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 OMG. Just found this: H80i: Fan static pressure: 4mm/H20 Fan airflow: 77 CFM Fan dBA: 37.68 dBA Fan speed: 2700 RPM Corsair SP120 Performance Series: Fan static pressure: 3.1 mm/H20 Fan airflow: 62.74 CFM Fan dBA: 35 dBA Fan speed: 2350 RPM Cancelling the order :D 2.68 dBA difference is not worth it. Found this explanation: "The H series from Corsair depends on a high volume of air thru the radiator......while some component of the noise does comes from the stock fans, most comes from the air rushing thru the radiator. While you can get some improvement by using a quieter fan, you can't reduce the fan noise caused by air thru the Rad w/o reducing the amount of air going thru the Rad. This can only be done by using a fan that moved less air. Of course when you reduce air thru the Rad, the ability of the cooler to remove heat is compromised." Source: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1779378/h80i-noctua-fans.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memhorder Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Yeah you definitely need a 240mm Rad to run one of those things which the H100i is. You can't really go by the Temps reading on Link. AMD temp core sensors are a little wonky and inaccurate. I've got the FX-9370 and the temps on link just jump around to impossible temps. Use the HWmonitor. Run that in the background while playing games and see what temps you reach. The H80i is a good cooler but these 9 series chip demand more. I'm considering putting some very loud very high everything fans on mine just for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODedAssault Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I'm telling you right now don't get an h100i. Absolute best case scenario is its 5°C better temps. Likely won't get that. Just get some fans that move a ton of air quietly if that's what your after. They are hard to find but scythe gentle typhoon 1850 or 2150 rpm fans are nearly silent and move a TON of air. Nf-f12 fans do as well. Prob the best 2 fans in existence for volume to noise ratio. Also you may be able to leave stock boost activated and undervolted a bit. Cpu are almost always overvolted a bit to gaurantee stability. Whether intel or AMD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaD Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 I think my current settings lock down the CPU at 4,4 GHz and it never goes to 1,4 GHz (at least I never see that in CPU-Z). I set a lower manual multiplier and turned off Turbo. I didn't even set lower voltage. I use the PC only for gaming so it's almost never running on idle for long but now I want to download some old Steam titles that would take about a night. I'm a bit concerned about wasting too much power with having the CPU permanently on 4,4 GHz. Any advice on better BIOS settings for the FX-9590 Crosshair V Formula-Z? Will try running HWmonitor for sure and in the long term I'll either go for a new water cooler or better fans in the mid term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaD Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 Fresh Arctic Cooling MX-2 thermal paste + Fans at 2100 RPM did the trick! Running Prime95 at 4,7 GHz since an hour now. I'm at 46 deg C. Room temperature is 24 deg C today. System is finally stable! Yay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOODedAssault Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 That's good man. Sounds like it was just not mounted quite perfect in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klepp0906 Posted November 26, 2014 Share Posted November 26, 2014 Sounds like it may be mounted wrong. Take it off, clean up any paste on both cooler and processor and apply fresh paste. The computer shouldn't be shutting down at 60 degrees something is wrong for sure. Mounted wrong? Wtfru talking about? He's hitting 47c load temps...obviously not a cooling issue. It's an 8 core, factory overclocked, 220w tdp chip with a stock voltage over 1.5v... That cooler is butt bare minimum for running it. Doing so without the fans on full blast isnt gonna cut it. I'm using a h100i with 2 extra fans for push/pull, all on maximum, and have my voltage under stock and I get 60/80c core/package temps with turbo off and a paltry 100mhz overclock. These chips all but require custom loops. If your freezing or crashing and your temps are in check you need more voltage or higher llc setting. Without a ton more info that's about all I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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