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Old 10-11-2011, 01:58 AM
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Those should also be on the product page. Until then, I suggest the product page is updated.
Just FYI, I noticed this is on the product page, but it's under the FAQ/Support area, not on the 'main' product page per se.

Personally I'm not fussed by it. Having the macro / F / Home group keys be 'rubber dome' will make no real difference to my experience with the product.
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Old 10-11-2011, 10:23 PM
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Hmmm...am sure there is absolutely no dishonesty involved but after reading these concerns will hold off on the purchase of the keyboard and will get the mouse only at this time.

Certainly "someone" will build what people want.
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Old 10-12-2011, 11:30 PM
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This is from the Key Board Product Manager to address the concerns you all have expressed!

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Because of the lightness and sensitivity of the Cherry Reds (which is fantastic for gaming, and much better than people think for typing) we wanted a different switch pressure for some of the other keys – especially the macro keys – so you don’t actuate them if your hand brushes over them. So we decided to use the Cherry MX key switches on all the keys except the top row (Escape through F12 plus PrntScn/Scrl Lock/Pause) and for the “six pack” (ins/Home/Page up/dn, Del, End) where we have tuned a silicon dome keyswitch strip with a slightly firmer spring rate and more damping – thought the electrical response (1ms) is the same. These keys are not used for double taps or movement keys, so we preferred a firmer, less twitchy feel on these non-typing keys. These are keys you want to hit once, and need to nail solidly every time.

On the K90, we also used a separate silicon dome keyswitch matrix for the macro “G” keys because it allows us to put these keys on a lower plane than the main typing keys – again, so you can find them by feel, and so you don’t hit them accidentally (Logitech’s G15/G510 users have complained about hitting G1 when they really wanted “Escape” – which can have dire consequences!). These keys have a fully programmable repeat rate/multiple in the macro software, so you won’t be using these for double-taps or triple-taps anyway.

This is the type of design innovation you get when gaming enthusiasts engineer a keyboard from scratch - without the restriction of using a mass-produced office keyboard as a starting point.
Cherry Black would had been a better solution. Also maybe adding a centimeter of distance for the F keys row would help some. Finally maybe a different texture for the keycaps if need be. Rubber dome keys for sure would break the homogeneity of the product and would certainly give a cheap feeling to an highend keyboard.

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Thanks for the link and that should clear it up and let people know what there getting!
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Nice!! I can't wait to get one!
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Thanks for the link and that should clear it up and let people know what there getting!
Still needs to be fixed on the product page. I've already reported it.
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Old 10-17-2011, 12:32 PM
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It's a pity that the keyboards won't have MX switches on all keys. The K90 is advertised as an mmo keyboard and the function keys are essential for me when playing one. As a healer I target my party members with them. With the hand normaly on the wasd cluster the MX red would be the best switches for the function keys, with the lighter spring and the 2mm actuation point. And no dome can outreach the reliability of a mechanical switch. As for the macro keys, I think MX Clear would be a good choice for them.

Is there any chance that Corsair would bring a enhanced version of the K90 with all MX switch?
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Old 10-17-2011, 01:38 PM
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I'm still borderline about this, I love the look and design about the K60 but without mechanical switches on esc and the 1,2,3,4 and 5 buttons, what's the point? I hit those keys quite refrequently and I don't how I would feel about them "feeling different". I might look elsewhere although I was really aiming for the K60, just imo.
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Old 10-19-2011, 01:44 PM
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Naviblue,

The 1,2,3,4,5.(unless you were referring to the f-1, f-2 keys etc.) key are cherry red.
The Esc and F-keys are dome.
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Old 10-20-2011, 03:07 PM
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Ok guys I read the big rant over at overclock.net, but nobody seems to mention the fact that the frame is ALUMINUM. HELLOW!? (Bruno voice) that cost money folks, a single space bar made of aluminum sells for around $100 already. If you really WANT a simple all mechanical switch keyboard go buy one! Their everywhere, they all look the same, their all booooooooooooring...

Screw dome keys I dont really care TBH the ALUMINUM frame and wrist rest is what has got me sold. I lived off of a Saitek Eclipse for almost 6 years using domed keys, and comparing it now to my Steelseries 6Gv2 I honestly dont really its that much of a difference. Their both kind of light just the Steelseries makes a sound when you "bottom out". I know some typing aficionados can feel the difference between certain keys and switches but I sure as hell cant.

Think about it, how many companies out there manufacture mechanical keyboards? How many have made one with a Aluminum frame? The Filco Stainless Steel Limited Edition did it first, Steelseries 7G jacked the design but made their frame plastic, now Corsair is going to be the second. Mechanical keyboards I already have, I am going to buy a Das Professional S for Holidays, and maybe a Filco Tenkeyless for giggles in 2012 just to bolster my collection. But a Aluminum framed keyboard that would be something special. (Seeing as the Filco is impossible to find now a days)

That on top of the fact that I wholeheartedly support Corsair. Never had a Corsair product break or need to be RMA'ed. When I heard they made a Sound System I bought the SP2500 the very next day, and so far its been amazing. No reason to believe a simple keyboard cant meet or exceed my expectations from Corsair. Plus I dont really need Macro keys anyways I am already use to playing MMO's without them.

On a side not though, for the sake of craftsmanship I actually would HOPE that Corsair did make a FULL mechanical keyboard, WITH the braided sleeve, gold plated connectors, USB ports, headphone jacks and the whole shabang, and the option of having it BLACK aluminum or just brushed with different LED colors. Oh boy, a Black K90 with ALL MX Cherry's with a white back light, Aluminum Space bar. I would pay up to $300 for that.

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Old 10-20-2011, 10:18 PM
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Really? I'd pay $149.
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Old 10-21-2011, 01:55 AM
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Ok guys I read the big rant over at overclock.net, but nobody seems to mention the fact that the frame is ALUMINUM. HELLOW!? (Bruno voice) that cost money folks, a single space bar made of aluminum sells for around $100 already.
That's mainly because they're a specialised part custom made in very small quantities.
Do you have any idea how much customised keycaps of any sort cost?
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If you really WANT a simple all mechanical switch keyboard go buy one! Their everywhere, they all look the same, their all booooooooooooring...
You're missing the point.
The K90 has a combination of features that don't exist in other mechanical keyboards (namely PROPER media controls, PLUS backlighting, PLUS hardware-based macro keys, and yes, an aluminium frame), which people have been waiting a long time to see in a mechanical keyboard - only to find out that not all the keys are mechanical.

Sure, the aluminium frame is something people like to see. But I don't think that makes up for the use of rubber domes instead of mechanical switches. Some things you can't compensate for like that.

If being aluminium is all it takes to make it worthwhile, you may as well be buying a mac, not caring that it has an Intel IGP and lower specs in general compared to other similarly priced computers.
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Screw dome keys I dont really care TBH the ALUMINUM frame and wrist rest is what has got me sold. I lived off of a Saitek Eclipse for almost 6 years using domed keys, and comparing it now to my Steelseries 6Gv2 I honestly dont really its that much of a difference. Their both kind of light just the Steelseries makes a sound when you "bottom out". I know some typing aficionados can feel the difference between certain keys and switches but I sure as hell cant.
I think most people who buy mechanical keyboards can feel the difference, and simply wouldn't go back to rubber domes. I wouldn't.
Not that I'm attacking you for not minding rubber domes; That's your choice. But it's naiive to think that because you don't mind them, other people shouldn't.

Some people are "fine" with $10 headphones that have the cheapest, paper drivers you could find. It's not wrong for somebody to be fine with that, but it would be silly to suggest that everyone should be.

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Old 10-21-2011, 02:36 AM
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The K90 has a combination of features that don't exist in other mechanical keyboards (namely PROPER media controls, PLUS backlighting, PLUS hardware-based macro keys,
Media controls? Most mechanical keyboards dont have those, those keyboards for typing and typing alone not gaming or media. Look at the Filco ninja, majestouch, HH, ducky or a topre realforce. None of that stuff. All that "bells and whistles" niche is already occupied by Razer, they dominate that market and their not going anywhere. Personally it sounds like a blackwidow is what your looking for.

Not looking to argue, its really this simple guys, if those rubber domes break the deal for you, uh...dont get it! Simple as that. I am merely pointing out the fact that the ONLY reason I would buy this keyboard is because of its aluminum frame. That is the thing we should be making a deal about, thats what makes this keyboard unique. I also really like the look, the whole "floating keys" look.

I can get tons and tons of pure 100% mechanical keyboards, from very reputable manufactures. Why get a simple tenkeyless looking black mechanical keyboard with a Corsair branding? A Corsair logo on something like that would mean squat, they have no credentials in the mechanical keyswitch world. Design wise, now that niche is much more marketable. Cant compete with the heavy hitters like Filco, Das, or Matias? Dont want to sponsor champion gamers like Steelseries? So do what Razer did, make keyboards that LOOK pretty. And I think Corsair did a great job. They said "screw the black high gloss and pulsing LED's" and went and did their own thing. I applaud Corsairs marketing division for going in that direction.

Now if Filco decided to release their stainless steel LE keyboard of course I would buy that over the Corsair, seeing as they are not and darn near impossible to find the Vengence keyboard will suffice enough to quench my aluminum frame thirst.

I am not saying that Corsair SHOULDENT replace all the keys to MX Cherrys possibly switching them up using a combination of red, blue and black. That would be unique also but for this consumer. Its not that big of a deal and wont keep me from buying one when it comes out.
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Really? I'd pay $149.
I chuckled.
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