A Computer Guy Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 Using AIDA64 going from my previous DDR4-3200 to DDR4-3600 read improvement +5,580 write improvement +3,391 copy improvement +5,386 latency from 77ns down to 71ns I don't have any data to compare against. If someone else out there has a 3800x and this memory kit do you get similar results? What do you know, perfect timing youtube see "RAM and FCLK settings vs performance on Ryzen 3000" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emadgreek Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 A Computer Guy, I used some of your timings for 4 sticks of CMW32GX4M2C3200C16 Ver 5.32 in a Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero Wifi and a 3900x. I can get 4 sticks to run at 2400 with these settings: 18 - tCL (from XMP 16+2) 17 - tRCD (from XMP 18-1) 17 - tRP (from XMP 18-1) 36 - tRAS (from XMP) 58 - tRC (from XMP 54+4) RTT_NOM = RZQ/7(34) RTT_WR = RZQ/3(80) RTT_PARK = RZQ/1(240) CAD_BUS = All 24 ohms The rest left on Auto. I get 1 error on memtest after 2+ hours but Windows seems very stable. Have you messed with this RAM lately (or your version #) and any new settings you may want to share. Before your post i get errors in 9 minutes or less, your settings got me stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Computer Guy Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) A Computer Guy, I used some of your timings for 4 sticks of CMW32GX4M2C3200C16 Ver 5.32 in a Asus ROG Crosshair VIII Hero Wifi and a 3900x. I can get 4 sticks to run at 2400 with these settings: 18 - tCL (from XMP 16+2) 17 - tRCD (from XMP 18-1) 17 - tRP (from XMP 18-1) 36 - tRAS (from XMP) 58 - tRC (from XMP 54+4) RTT_NOM = RZQ/7(34) RTT_WR = RZQ/3(80) RTT_PARK = RZQ/1(240) CAD_BUS = All 24 ohms The rest left on Auto. I get 1 error on memtest after 2+ hours but Windows seems very stable. Have you messed with this RAM lately (or your version #) and any new settings you may want to share. Before your post i get errors in 9 minutes or less, your settings got me stable. That' interesting. I still wouldn't be happy with 1 error in 24hr period but considering your improvement you may be able to improve on that still by tweaking your primaries, secondaries, DRAM voltage, or SOC voltage. Consider reading this link amd-ryzen-memory-tweaking-overclocking-guide I would think you should at least be able to reach DDR4-2667 with a 4 dimm configuration however that will depend on various factors one of which is your BIOS/UEFI version. I only have 2 dimms but I was able to do DDR4-2933 with stock timings. I think compatibility issues with my board forces me to alter the timings at the rated frequency and it almost sounds like a similar situation you are in but much worse because you have a full load of dimms. What BIOS version (and AGESA version) are you running? For me AGESA 1.0.0.3AB provided the most compatible results with this memory kit so far. Still waiting for ABBA and hoping I can get my DDR4-3600 overclock back again. What DRAM voltage are you running? What do your subtimings look like when you are running them AUTO? (use the new Ryzen Master to see) Interestingly Ryzen Master will show your memory subtimings when you have a Zen2 chip but not Zen+. I picked up a B450 and plugged my prior Zen+ chip in and the same version Ryzen Master wouldn't show me my timings. This was really disappointing considering Ryzen Timing checker doesn't work anymore with newer BIOS/UEFI. Edited October 4, 2019 by A Computer Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emadgreek Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 ROG CROSSHAIR VIII HERO (WI-FI) BIOS 1001 Update AM4 combo PI 1.0.0.3 patch ABBA. I got it to 3000Mhz with settings below. 1-2 errors a pass on memtest but solid in windows running Overwatch and android blue stacks emulator and streaming all at the same time for hours. Cinebench 20 score of 7013. As for the 2400MHz it was not auto I was using your settings I found out from your post on 07-19-2019 05:38 PM. Thought it was auto but was trying so many settings and restores from profiles I misspoke. As for the overclock guide I tried everything to not get 1 or 2 errors. Even at stock speeds always get 1 error or more with 4 dimms. Hammer test is were I get the errors usually. I found out if Ryzen Master crashes or becomes unresponsive after a certain amount of time, the RAM settings are bad and I need to change them. If Ryzen Master runs for days with no issue I call it stable. I'll wait for more BIOS updates to help but for now I have the profile saved and will tinker with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Computer Guy Posted October 2, 2019 Author Share Posted October 2, 2019 (edited) ROG CROSSHAIR VIII HERO (WI-FI) BIOS 1001 Update AM4 combo PI 1.0.0.3 patch ABBA. I got it to 3000Mhz with settings below. 1-2 errors a pass on memtest but solid in windows running Overwatch and android blue stacks emulator and streaming all at the same time for hours. Cinebench 20 score of 7013. As for the 2400MHz it was not auto I was using your settings I found out from your post on 07-19-2019 05:38 PM. Thought it was auto but was trying so many settings and restores from profiles I misspoke. As for the overclock guide I tried everything to not get 1 or 2 errors. Even at stock speeds always get 1 error or more with 4 dimms. Hammer test is were I get the errors usually. I found out if Ryzen Master crashes or becomes unresponsive after a certain amount of time, the RAM settings are bad and I need to change them. If Ryzen Master runs for days with no issue I call it stable. I'll wait for more BIOS updates to help but for now I have the profile saved and will tinker with it. What is your DRAM voltage set to? Also you can try bumping your SOC to 1.1v. On my board it defaults to 1.1v SOC when Zen2 cpu is installed. I noticed your RAS Active Time is higher (probably because you have 4 dimms). I think you may want to adjust Row Cycle Time as this was the real pain with my kit. You may consider walking it up from 58 to 62 and see if that helps. I've never gotten an error with the hammer test. Try with Trfc to 530. I had another thought about your situation. You combined 2 kits of 2 so there is a possibility of some incompatibility because they weren't tested together as a 4 dimm kit. If you still know what dimms were originally paired together you may want to ensure each matched kit occupies one channel. For example: where a and b represent channels, and k1 and k2 represent kit 1 and 2, try this configuration when installing 2 kits (2 dimms each) a1 with k1a b1 with k2a a2 with k1b b2 with k2b concluding with a miscellaneous fun fact: I was able to ramp this ram up to DDR4-3800 at 1.38v and pass memtest86. Unfortunately I don't think my board can handle it and it crashes when loading windows. I haven't quite figured out how to stabilize it. My cpu can do an FCLK of 1900 as well so getting to a stable DDR4-3800 would be a real win. Edited October 4, 2019 by A Computer Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Computer Guy Posted October 4, 2019 Author Share Posted October 4, 2019 Another thought, It didn't occur to me at the time but your loading 4 sticks for total of 64GB (dual-rank sticks) at 3000Mhz right? You may be approaching limits for your CPU memory controller edging it out to maximum stress. I thought I saw somewhere that board uses T-topology for the ram so it may make sense with a full load that your reaching the upper limit with your configuration at 3000Mhz. With my suggestions above I would try backing off to DDR4-2933 and see if it is more stable there. If so then that I would consider that a huge huge win. Let me know if the suggestions helped at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creten93 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Hey Computer Guy! Let me just start by saying you have been a great help on this journey to stability. I am still unable to get a stable 3200mhz using my CMW32GX4M2C3200C16 ram kit (2x16 sticks). I have it running stable at 3000mhz using the primary timing you have posted here (18-18-18-18-36-58 1.35v dram 1.1 soc) and that is the best I have been able to achieve. Not sure if you will even see this but if you do I would greatly appreciate some help! I would say this has been fun but also very stressful at the same time! My motherboard is the strix x-470f. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcrowley666 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 I saw similar improvements. Did you ever finish work on trimming the timings or have you found any better settings? Had a surprise with ASRock BIOS/UEFI version P3.40 w/ AGESA 1.0.0.3AB. I was able to bump up from 3200 to 3600 (couldn't do that before) so there seems to be an improvement. UserBenchmark went up from 93.7% to over 100% (...still working on trimming the timings below...will edit when finalized...) (...updated 7/29/2019...) CMW32GX4M2C3200C16 (ver 4.32) DDR4-3600 18 - tCL 19 - tRCD 19 - tRP 42 - tRAS 68 - tRC 6 - tRRDS 9 - tRRDL 32 - tFAW 4 - tWTRS 12 - tWTRL 12 - tWR 4 - tRDRDSCL 4 - tWRWRSCL 560 - tRFC ??? - tRFC2 ??? - tRFC4 18 - tCWL 6 - tRTP 8 - tRDWR 3 - tWRRD 1 - tWRWRSC 7 - tWRWRSD 6 - tWRWRDD 1 - tRDRDSC 5 - tRDRDSD 4 - tRDRDDD 0 - tCKE DRAM = 1.35v SOC = 1.1v (with AUTO) SOC now located in Advanced/CBS/NBIO/XFR Gear Down Mode = Enabled Power Down Mode = Disabled BGS = ??? could not find setting with new BIOS/UEFI BGS-ALT = ??? could not find setting with new BIOS/UEFI ProcODT = 60 ohms RTT_NOM = Disabled RTT_WR = RZQ/3(80) RTT_PARK = RZQ/1(240) CAD_BUS = All 24 ohms The new Dram Calculator 1.6.0 doesn't seem to work in my scenario. It won't calculate DDR4-3600 settings says "not supported". Up to 104% https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/18880711 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Computer Guy Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share Posted May 29, 2020 (edited) I saw similar improvements. Did you ever finish work on trimming the timings or have you found any better settings? UEFI/BIOS update destroyed my DDR4-3600 overclock and subsequent updates couldn't restore it so no. My board isn't particularly great for memory overclocking anyway so I pretty much stopped and moved on to testing an ECC kit with my motherboard with Zen+ and Zen2. Edited May 29, 2020 by A Computer Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullcom Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 (edited) Hello. I wonder if you all still are live here �� I check the thread and see that you not have manage go Past 3600mhz I wand to add some inspiration to you all. It possible I have run my men's on 3800mhz 1900*2 and manage to do it on cl16. TYPE D die from micro CMK32GX4M2B3200C16 Corsair JEDEC DIMM Label 16GB 2Rx8 PC4-2133P-UB0-10 Part Number D9TZV (MT40A1G8WE-075E:D) Package Standard Monolithic 78-ball FBGA 78-ball 8.0mm x 12.0mm FBGA Die Density / Count 8 Gb D-die (Z01B / 20 nm) / 1 die Input Clock Frequency 1067 MHz (0,938 ns) Speed Grade DDR4-2133P downbin Edited November 13, 2020 by mullcom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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