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08-25-2012, 12:28 PM
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Yeah, and this is soemtimes a big issue. About 12 years ago, I was the product manager for an enterprise security product. Now enterprises expect that patches and dot-releases should be tested the same way as major releases. And that is what my company did.
But, we had some resellers bitching, and I mean bitching, at us because other vendors rushed patches out the door, and we didn't. You would think that the resellers valued "quality" over "speed," but if you did, you would be wrong.   |
Yea, looks like Corsair kinda may have rushed the 5.02 out? And that got us into this position.. now they don't want to do it again.
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08-25-2012, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RAM GUY
The best explanation I can give you would be form example when you look at new cars one month they may have Goodyear Tires and the next month it may be Goodrich, while a month later it may be Michelin or Yokohama Ect.
The different profiles represent a different BOM (Build Of Materials) they may be something very simple like a different contractor Building the parts for us or use of a different component internally. Which is common in Manufacturing the more versatile your design is the more cost competitive and reliable the part can be. And before you ask this information is not public and I would not be able to tell you the difference even if I knew.
They are all using the same controller just a slightly different Build is the only difference.
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Thanks for your kind and clear support as always RAM GUY 
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08-26-2012, 01:07 PM
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Ok, so after having gotten exasperated to the point I finally decided to get a SSD drive I started digging up every possible detail I could about them.
I don't have many products from Corsair, previously just an H80 which I love 
Yesterday I got a Force GT 120GB SSD drive and since I like to get to know every possible detail about what I get I started to read this forum.
Most tips I had already found through other sites; basically the main thing I was browsing for here was any possible firmware issues/updates.
After some reading I notice that Corsair keeps too much information sealed.
I understand that this may be possible to prevent legal issues or even let other companies take a leap by addressing these issues on their own products but whatever the case may be consumers have the right to know what affects their purchased products 
Using the Field Updater which I found on one of the threads I notice that the current out of the box firmware is 5.02; I was hoping that it wasn't 
Frankly this TRIM issue is not something I am happy with in spite of some saying that it is not a big issue. And all that secret about other unresolved issues is not taking it down a better road.
Now I am forced to either use it with it's current issues or wait some time untill a newer firmware passes Corsair tests.
For now that'll be decided I guess mostly by the fact of having a proper time span to actually do an OS and programs install since Corsair does not provide the tiniest of insight about a possible date range for a newer release
I am anxious to see it finally working though as my boot drive 
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08-26-2012, 06:30 PM
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5.02 should be called "BETA", 5.04 should be online as beta also
the mistake corsair made, was that they didn't name the firmware 5.02 BETAx, i think that shows me, they make a similar mistake that OCZ did a time ago with the slower 25nm ssd, without notice. there are 2 situations: corsair didn't know the firmware is faulty from the beginning, that would be very painful but not believable, or corsair thought, the problem will not be noticed, that is also not the best idea. so, my opinion is, 5.02 should be called beta, until the normal version with trim support comes out.
i also cannot believe, how long time this "testing" takes, meanwhile there are completely new products on the market, fully designed from the scratch with firmware...etc, and corsair/sandforce can't manage a mini-firmware update?
why don't you put that 5.04 beta online, so we test it also...?
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08-26-2012, 07:04 PM
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I don't think anyone really knew about the TRIM being disabled until tweaktown did their tests... they just saw faster results and were like oh wow!
Just hope 5.04 isn't too far away.
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08-27-2012, 03:18 AM
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i also cannot believe, how long time this "testing" takes, meanwhile there are completely new products on the market, fully designed from the scratch with firmware...etc, and corsair/sandforce can't manage a mini-firmware update?
why don't you put that 5.04 beta online, so we test it also...?
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New products on the market do get saled.
Sadly, they dont profit on FW updates or supporting, it just costs more money, if you keep them rare and low-leveled, you make more profit.
Sadly, they only profit when you buy new drives, gladly actual situation supports that on soonly EOL-products, thanks to non working TRIM.
Is that the secret here?
I would like to pay for TRIM working, anyone else?
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08-27-2012, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CutMyThoat
I would like to pay for TRIM working, anyone else?
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Not really... I expect for this to be working with TRIM ASAP; basically for the following:
1. Up to now I've only thought of Corsair to deliver high quality products
2. This is something that MUST be implemented. Otherwise this would be my first and my last SSD. I'm not going to be buying stuff that turns into a paperweight in a ridiculously shorter lifespan than I initially expected.
3. I "stepped up" to a SSD because of the aleged speed. If TRIM isn't implemented as I understand from most, if not all sites I've been digging info from, my OS installation will deteriorate incredibly fast. The only solution after that seems to be wiping out the drive and reinstalling... but that means more IO to the drive no? Which brings me back to my second point since lifespan of the SSD depends from the number of writes made to it. Unacceptable.
So in the end what I expect is to see a newer properly tested and aproved firmware from Corsair.
Hopefully that won't take weeks... HOPEFULLY!
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08-27-2012, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CutMyThoat
I would like to pay for TRIM working, anyone else?
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I would say, CORSAIR should pay for it, for releasing a buggy firmware as stable without correcting it for months now. well, some companies play with fire on the very fast growing ssd-market. they should send us a new 240GB ssd as reward for the long waiting, when the new and working firmware is out...
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08-27-2012, 05:26 AM
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my OS installation will deteriorate incredibly fast. The only solution after that seems to be wiping out the drive and reinstalling...
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How accurate is this quote? can anyone care to elaborate?
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08-27-2012, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by kofiko
How accurate is this quote? can anyone care to elaborate?
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Secure erasing the drive will always speed it back up to how it came from the factory, but it will not "deteriorate incredibly fast". The drives have garbage collection on them.
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they should send us a new 240GB ssd as reward for the long waiting
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If you seriously believe that, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...
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08-27-2012, 06:11 AM
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Some of you are really over-reacting... as stated before your drive isn't going to just keel over and die. It may slow down slightly, but we are only a month or so away (I presume) from getting TRIM back and working.
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08-27-2012, 07:36 AM
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... , but we are only a month or so away (I presume) from getting TRIM back and working.
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Another "one month left..... only!? was that sarcastic?
Stop kidding us, you already took 2 month, must be joking, aren't you?
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08-27-2012, 07:51 AM
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Another "one month left..... only!? was that sarcastic? ...must be joking, aren't you?
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I share your discomfort, but you should take people's comments here with a grain of salt, corsair officials said they will not share ETAs.
What's left for us to do is check this forum daily. My only fear is that I'll have to reinstall my OS for it to perform optimally after the update.
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08-27-2012, 07:58 AM
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Another "one month left..... only!? was that sarcastic?
Stop kidding us, you already took 2 month, must be joking, aren't you?
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*I* didn't take any time... I don't work for corsair, lol.
My one month timeframe was based on someone's comment on the OC forums and, yes, should be taken with a grain or two of salt. :)
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08-29-2012, 04:58 PM
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